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NICHOLS or NICHOLLS
« on: Saturday 07 May 05 14:45 BST (UK) »

Hi

Can anyone help as I am stuck: Undecided

I am looking for a John Nichols born Portsea circa 23 jan 1817 this date is off his gravestone at Workington in Cumberland so it could be one year out either way

By my investigation his father was also John Nichol(l)s I say Portsea because thats on one census but another later one says Southamton, so I am taking them one at a time

Thanks in anticipation

Andrew
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Re: Nichols or Nicholls
« Reply #1 on: Friday 20 May 05 12:57 BST (UK) »

What exactly are you lookin for? you mention census, which census years have you found him on so far?
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« Reply #2 on: Friday 20 May 05 14:41 BST (UK) »

hi

its a bit of a strange one this as I have John on a number of census's I know the date of birth off the grave stone, I have located him on the following census's although his occupation has changed from "Mariner" to "storekeeper at steelworks" .  This is stopping me going any further and is frustrating

he was married in 1839, to Jane in Workington, I have cert and a copy of church record and according to this his father was a John as well, and this is signed NICHOLLS, everything else says Nichols, but was it him who signed it??

Ancestry uk census states lived in Workington in 1871

In 1881 he lived in Workington aged 65, place of birth Southampton

In 1901 workington aged 85, retired sailor but this would have been filled in by head of household probally why says sailor not Mariner

His death cert in 1904 says mariner (merchant service) but also says name John William Dove Nichols died workington

His son my Gt grandfathers marriage cert says father was mariner

The problem is before 1839, I have assumed that if he was a mariner born in Portsea or Southampton he has probally been on a ship up at Workington and met his future wife here.  I have no idea where to start with the Hampshire end, and travelling the 600 mile round trip is a non runner unless I get a lead to follow.

If anyone can help I would gladly return the favour and do some digging about up here in Whitehaven, Cumberland (Cumbria)

Andrew
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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 21 May 05 08:33 BST (UK) »

I appreciate that what you are looking for is his birth or christening record, but meanwhile I have found him on the 1891 if you dont have it already. John Nichol age 73, retired mariner, born southampton, with wife jane aged 72, born workington, living at 3 north watts street workington.
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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 22 May 05 00:12 BST (UK) »

I really do thank you for your help,

I wonder if there is any records of him at the local Steelworks or if British Steel have any records.  I did try a lot of shipping records at Whitehaven but gave that up as don't know where to start, no date, no ships name

Think this ones a needle in a haystack, at least I know that he was a merchant mariner

Again thanks for your help

I don't suppose that anyone knows what was the minimum age for signing on a ship prior to 1837 was it like the local mines up here and young children less than 10 worked, this would at least give me a range, example as he was born in 1819 if he couldn't sign on to he was say 16 that would be 1833, as he was married in 1839 gives me a six year range to check merchant navy records

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Re: Nichols or Nicholls
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 17 October 06 20:48 BST (UK) »

Hi,
I'm a year out of date on this one.
My gt. grandfather was also one of John Nichol's sons.
You seem to have more information than me.
Do you know anything about Jane Adamson's family. (John Nichol's wife?
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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 18 October 06 21:06 BST (UK) »

A year or not it's an answer

I've not delved into Janes family yet, to be honest been a bit tied up and busy

I can tell you where the grave of Jane and john is in Workington, I can give you information from John down to me, but this John Nichol(l)s is a bit of a mystery as the only record of his father yet another John is from the marriage cert of Jane and John details of which I have, and will share them if you want

Info on the other Nichol(l)s would be appreciated I could perhaps find some more about John and start on the Adamson's

Where are you from I live in Whitehaven just south of Workington

Andrew

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Re: Nichols or Nicholls
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 19 October 06 10:11 BST (UK) »

Hi,
I have gleaned a bit about Jane from searching the IGI.

Like you I'm somewhat tied up at the moment.

It would seem that we are third cousins from part of the family I knew little about until last year!

I live in Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire, south west Wales.

We must exchange information.

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Re: Nichols or Nicholls
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 19 October 06 17:10 BST (UK) »

Heres the family in 1851 mistranscribed as Michaels.HO107
Piece 2435 Folio 239 Page 26.

Griffen? Street,Workington,Cumberland.

John Nicholls,Head,34,Mariner,Southampton,Hampshire.
Jane Nicholls,Wife,33,Workington,Cumberland.
Sarah Nicholls,Dau,10,Workington,Cumberland.
John Nicholls,Son,9,Workington,Cumberland.

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Re: Nichols or Nicholls
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 19 October 06 17:31 BST (UK) »

Thanks for that .
They moved around the town quite a bit.
I now have a Sarah and John.
All the best.
Sheila
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« Reply #10 on: Thursday 19 October 06 18:12 BST (UK) »

How further forward have you got from there?

Here we go starting from me back
Me 1958
Mother Nina Nichols
Grandfather Joseph Nichols b 03/04/1895 Whitehaven, d 07/08/1956
G Grandfather: Richard Nichols b 06/11/1854 Griffen St,Workington d 23/04/1940
GG Grandfather: John Nichols, b 23/01/1817? Southampton (portsea depends on census) d 10/06/1904 buried @ Workington

Bear with me only started I'll download more

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Re: Nichols or Nicholls
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 19 October 06 18:26 BST (UK) »

There is also a William

I also think that John and Janes son - John b ? 1842 married Bridget ?

who had 2 kids: John Thomas and Martha ??

Not proven yet, is this yours and am I correct

Now I live near the record office and will start looking again if on right lines

I do have various BMD certs scanned if you want them

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