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OWEN family, from Tue Brook Villa, asylum
« on: Sunday 04 December 11 03:55 GMT (UK) »
Hello.

Any assistance on the following will be greatly appreciated, as I am unfamilar with research in Lancashire.

My ancestor Richard James Owen was born 31 May 1860 West Derby and christened 28 Sep 1862 at St Paul Liverpool. His Parents James Owen ( son of John) & Clara Ann Middleton ( dau of Peter Middleton) were married 4 Oct  1853 Shandon Cork, Ireland.

The marriage record itself I find confusing as the only electoral record Ive found in 1861 which matches this family in Everton, says the whole family born Liverpool. Was it common for the English to go to Ireland to marry?

Richard at some stage imigrated to New Zealand by 1890 when he married here. I am unclear if James and Clara went also, some records back this and some dont. However I found a Newspaper article which may or may not be a lead.

Deaths. Auckland Star, Volume XXIX, Issue 234, 4 October 1898, Page 8 OWEN.-At the residence of his daughter Mrs J. F. Smyth, Mary-street, Mt. Eden, James Owen; aged 69 years; son of John Owen, Esq., of Tue Brook Villa, Liverpool.-Liverpool and Melbourne papers please copy. By request no mourning will be worn.

( Richard James Owen died the same year 1898 aged about 38)

Hence trying to find any information on the Owens that ran Tue Brook Villa

Many Thanks
Del


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Re: OWEN family, from Tue Brook Villa, asylum
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 04 December 11 05:23 GMT (UK) »

1881 West Derby Lancashire

Green Lane
Tue Brook Villa Asylum
Harold Owen age 58 Physcician and surgeon proprietor born Liverpool
Julia Ann wife age 55 Sedgeley Staff
John Blackie Owen son age 33 Liverpool
Ester Louisa Owen dau age 28 Rainhill
Rich. F Owen son age 27 St Austle Cornwall
Walter H Owen son age 21 Sanbach Cheshire


1861

James Owen age 51 Engineer
Clara A wife age 25
Edith dau age 2
Richard son age 10 months

If they married 1853 Clara would have been only 17 and James 43  James an engineer may have had employment in Ireland with the age difference that may be a reason for an Irish wedding also ??


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oakley, Leadbeater, Hemming, Jones, Pearsall, Page,------ Aston, Leominster, Balsall Heath, Tewkesbury, Kings Norton, Birmingham.

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Re: OWEN family, from Tue Brook Villa, asylum
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 04 December 11 05:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi Pam,

Thanks for that, I hadnt even thought of him working in Ireland. I have also seen records for John Owen at the Green lane address, but earlier than 1881.

Did you notice the places of birth on the census records, did I read correctly when I looked at it as they were all born in Liverpool?

Im sure on one of the christenening  records  for "Richard James Owen" I found said 1862 he was a corn dealer, yet on the marriage cert of Richard James he is also an Engineer.

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Del
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Re: OWEN family, from Tue Brook Villa, asylum
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 04 December 11 05:38 GMT (UK) »
1891 RG12/2984 folio 36 page 17 Ewell Lancashire

30 Alexandra Drive

Julia A Owen age 69 widow living on her own means born Sedgley Staff
Esther L dau single age 38 born Rainhill Lanc
Lilian M Owen grandaughter age 7 Liverpool
Margaret Jones age 10 scholar Liverpool

1891 RG12/142 folio 8 page 14 Islington St John London


619 Holloway Road
Richard F Owen age 37 St Austell Cornwall Physcician surgeon
Eva M wife age 29 London
Maria Cathing widow age 51 boarder Scotland

?? age 45 widow visitor France
Ludwick Gygger boarder Germany

3 servants

Yes it said all born Liverpool 1861

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oakley, Leadbeater, Hemming, Jones, Pearsall, Page,------ Aston, Leominster, Balsall Heath, Tewkesbury, Kings Norton, Birmingham.

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Re: OWEN family, from Tue Brook Villa, asylum
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 04 December 11 06:39 GMT (UK) »
1871 Rg10/3848 folio 97 page 4 West derby Lancashire

Green Lane
Tue Brook Villa private Lunatic Asylum

Harold Owen Mar age 45 Medical Supt Asylum born Liverpool
John B son age 23 E J Merchants  Clerk Liverpool

then list of patients

1871 RG10/3848 folio 105 page 20 West Derby Lancashire

15 Woburn Hill

Julia Ann Owen age mar 48 Sedgeley Staff
Harold G son age 22 marine Ins Clerk Liverpool
Ester L dau age 19 Prescott
Mary Truscott age 33 serv Cornwall
Emily Truscott age 17 serv Cornwall
Walter H Owen age 11  son Sandbach Cheshire


1871 RG10/5278 folio 23 page 40 Applethwaite Windermere Westmoreland

Windermere  College in the local board of Windermere

Harolds sons Richard Owen age 17 St Austle Cornwall 
William H Owen born liverpool  age 15/16 are pupils

1861 RG9/2614 folio 63 page 44 Sandbach Cheshire

Flat?? Lane

Harold Owen age 38 Member of the Royal College of Surgeons England  ?? Royal College of Physcicians General Practitioner born Liverpool

Julia Ann wife age 37 born Sedgely Staff
John Blackie son age 13 Liverpool
Harold George  son age 12 Liverpool
Ester Louisa dau age 9 Rainhill
Richard Tompson son age 7 St Austell Cornwall
William Hall son age 5 Liverpool
Walter Henry son age 1 Sanbach Cheshire
Mary Ann Tompson age 65 widow fund holder born Yorkshire
2 servants

1851 H0107/2190 folio 230 page 63 Everton Lancashire

12 derby Parade
Harold Owen age 28 member of the royal college of surgeons London general practitioner  Liverpool
Julia Ann wife age 27 Gornal Staff
Harold son age 2 Liverpool
Alfred son age 1 Everton

2 servants

1851 H0107/2192 folio 838 page 27 West Derby
Green Lane Lunatic Asylum


John B Owen Harold and Julias son is a visitor

John Owen age 57 Proprieter  and Superintendent Lunatic Asylum born Flexton Lancashire
Ann wife age 54 Glasenby Cumberland
George son age 24 bookkeeper Liverpool
William son age 19 assistant Liverpool
Caroline E dau age 11 West derby
Juliann Coleman age 12 visitor Birkenhead Cheshire
John B Owen age 3 visitor Everton Lancashire

servants and patients initials

1841 H0107/520/11 folio 21 page 1 Walton on the Hill West derby Lancashire
Enumeration District Tue Brook Villa West derby Licensed Mad House
John Owen age 45 master and proprietor yes born in county
Anne age 40 not born in county
Harold age 15 medical pupil rest yes in county
Mary Ann age 15
George age 15 Bookkeeper
James age 12
William age 9
Caroline Esther age 2
Richard Owen age 65
servants and patients

Pam
oakley, Leadbeater, Hemming, Jones, Pearsall, Page,------ Aston, Leominster, Balsall Heath, Tewkesbury, Kings Norton, Birmingham.

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Re: OWEN family, from Tue Brook Villa, asylum
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 04 December 11 07:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi Pam,

The 1841 census looks likley, The James from the 1841 census will the one for the death notice in New Zealand I found the age is perfect. He would have born later than the James I was looking for, if I compare it to the 1861 census return.

Guess I cant rule it out just yet..

Cheers
Del
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Re: OWEN family, from Tue Brook Villa, asylum
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 04 December 11 07:36 GMT (UK) »
I also found a christening record for a Margaret Anne Rosalie Owen, 1857 SAINT MARY THE VIRGIN, DERBY,   child of a James & Clara Owen, later i found her living with grandparents connected with the asylum
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Re: OWEN family, from Tue Brook Villa, asylum
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 04 December 11 10:54 GMT (UK) »
The following site has a piece of Tue Brook Villa:
http://www.allertonoak.com/merseySights/NorthLiverpoolCX.html

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