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Lookup request Thomas Grubs 1841, 1851, 1861 censuses Shropshire
« on: Tuesday 22 January 08 12:19 GMT (UK) »

Hello,

I am looking for Thomas Grub (2) born circa 1763 and christened in Stoke St. Milborough on the 5th of May 1764 in Stoke St. Milborough, the son of Thomas Grub (1) and Mary Wilkes. He had a sister named Esther Grub, christened on the 8 Dec. 1765 in Stoke. He also had a sister named Jane Grub, christened on the 15th of May 1768.

I am not entirely sure if I am related to him, but I am investigating whether he is the illegitimate father of Thomas Bridgewater, born c. 1823 to Hannah Bridgwaters, who was a servant. I already have information on Thomas Bridgwater and Hannah. She later married and became Hannah Lloyd. If Thomas Grub (2) was her master, it is very possible he could have been the father of Thomas Bridgwater, but I have no information on who her master was. However, perhaps the father of Thomas Bridgwater was his son, also named Thomas Grub (3) and christened in 1793 in Diddlebury.

The reason I suspect Thomas Grub is because I have taken a Y-chromosome DNA test and found a relative in America within 9 generations from my male line with the surname Grubb.

So any information I can find on these Thomas Grubs in the 1841 or 1851 and possibly 1861 censuses would be helpful. If there's anyway I can find out his occupation and whether he was wealthy enough to have servants, that would be great.

Nicholas J. Bridgewater (or perhaps truly Grubb?? I don't know!)
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Re: Lookup request Thomas Grubs 1841, 1851, 1861 censuses Shropshire
« Reply #1 on: Friday 14 March 08 13:12 GMT (UK) »

Hiya Nicholas

I'm afraid Thomas Grubs are a bit thin on the ground

1841 at Bishops Castle

Thomas Grubb 20 nbic baker
Sarah Grubb 20 nbic
Emily Grubb 11m bic
Mary Bayley 10 nbic servant

in 1851 at Queen Street Princes End Coseley Staffs

Thomas Grubb 38 M head b Ludlow engineer
Mary Grubb 30 M wifeb West Bromwich
Isabella Grubb 7 dau b West Bromwich
Hannah Grubb 5 dau b West Bromwich
Sarah Grubb 2 dau b Sedgley

HO107/2031 Folio 230 Page 28

Thomas Grubb 46 M head b Cleobury engine drive at iron works
Mary Grubb 41 M wife b Sedgley
John Grubb 21 son b Sedgley puddler at iron works
Hannah Grubb 15 dau b Sedgley
Kezia Grubb 9 dau b Sedgley
Lois Grubb 6 dau b Sedgley
Mary Ann Grubb 1m dau b Sedgley

RG9/2051 Folio 86 Page 35

In 1861 at Navigation Street Birmingham

William Walker 41 M head b birmingham glass cutter and bracket maker
Louisa Walker 38 M wife b Birmingham
Selma Walker 16 dau b Birmingham
Thomas Grub 61 W b Ludlow visitor bootmaker

HO107/2055 Folio 268 Page 25

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Re: Lookup request Thomas Grubs 1841, 1851, 1861 censuses Shropshire
« Reply #2 on: Friday 14 March 08 19:15 GMT (UK) »

Thanks for the information. Smiley

Maybe my Thomas was deceased by 1841. hmmmm

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Re: Lookup request Thomas Grubs 1841, 1851, 1861 censuses Shropshire
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 16 March 08 19:50 GMT (UK) »

Hiya Nicholas

It looks like it might be that way. By 1841 Thomas Grub 2 would have been in his 80s and Thomas Grub 3 would have been in his 50s

A lot of people has girls listed as 'servants' on the census even when they were of a lower class. Often they were cousins who left their overcrowded families to help out relatives who had more room to support another member of the family. They probably didnt receive any wage but were just housed and fed for general help around the house

It might be worth looking at trade directories from around that time to see if Thomas Grub is listed or look at Hannah Bridgewaters relatives to see if there is a connection through marriage to the Grub family

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Re: Lookup request Thomas Grubs 1841, 1851, 1861 censuses Shropshire
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 16 March 08 19:55 GMT (UK) »

I'm not aware of any connection between Hannah and the Grub family, but I don't know for sure.

How would I find trade directories of that region?

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 16 March 08 20:01 GMT (UK) »

Hiya Nicholas

They would be in the town archives if they have survived. It might be worth dropping the archive office an e-mail

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Re: Lookup request Thomas Grubs 1841, 1851, 1861 censuses Shropshire
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 18 March 08 12:22 GMT (UK) »

Hiya Nicholas

This site contains directories might have further information

http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp

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Re: Lookup request Thomas Grubs 1841, 1851, 1861 censuses Shropshire
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 18 March 08 19:23 GMT (UK) »

Thanks
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England: Booth, Bridgewater, Brown, Buckley, Cooper, Hopley, Holt, Hughes, Kirkham, Laughton (Lawton/Lotton), Lewis, Stevenson, Tunley, Yates

Scotland: Eaton (Ayton), Bell, Carr, Carrie (Kerrie), Cobb, Fyfe, Kent, Miller, Ochterlony (Auchterlonie), Taylor
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