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Re: Parents and siblings of Thomas Oates (1792 - 1871)79
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 19 January 12 20:41 GMT (UK) »
There is a longer obituary of Thomas from 1871.

Among other things it says that his father was a respectable manufacturer, George Oates
who lived many years in the Wicker, in the house which is now the Station Inn.

Thomas also spent time in the United States.
He had also been a Town councillor and an Alderman.

I am wondering if the paper was in error in calling his father George. I could not find a George in the Wicker in the directories at http://www.sheffieldindexers.com, but there are these entries:

Oates, Francis (fine scissor manufacturer).
Residing at 22 Wicker, Sheffield in 1825.
Recorded in: Gells 1825 Directory of Sheffield.
     
Oates, Francis & Sons (merchants).
Residing at 22 Wicker, Sheffield in 1825.
Recorded in: Gells 1825 Directory of Sheffield.

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Re: Parents and siblings of Thomas Oates (1792 - 1871)79
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 19 January 12 21:01 GMT (UK) »
Sheffield Independent
Saturday 8 May 1830

DEATHS
...
On Sunday, Mr. F. Oates, scissor manufacturer, late of the
Wicker, aged 64.

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Sheffield Independent
Saturday 4 Feb 1837

DEATHS
...
On Monday, Mrs Oates, relict of the late Mr. Francis
Oates of the Wicker, scissor manufacturer. Mrs. Oates
was the last surviving female member of the church, at
Queen street, who was a member when the Rev James
Boden became its pastor.

***

Burials at Sheffield Parish Church (SS Peter & Paul – now the Anglican Cathedral)
OATES Francis 5 May 1830 64 Sheffield, Park, South St  scissorsmith
OATES Mary 2 Feb 1837 69 Sheffield, Glossop Rd widow

Although this family were clearly staunch non-conformists they would not have had much choice in choosing a burial place at this period.

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Re: Parents and siblings of Thomas Oates (1792 - 1871)79
« Reply #20 on: Friday 20 January 12 06:05 GMT (UK) »
Hello Hugh

That is great and thank you.  Does the article mean that Francis and Mary were actually buried at the church in the grounds???

I do think the paper was in error as I think Thomas father was Francis. 

Do you have anything on paper such as newspaper articles or in relation to Thomas being a Councillor and alderman???

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Re: Parents and siblings of Thomas Oates (1792 - 1871)79
« Reply #21 on: Friday 20 January 12 06:11 GMT (UK) »
Hello Mxmar0, if you need anything looking up in the Sheffield Archives or Library I am happy to do that for you, I go into the Town centre fairly regularly and I would be willing to call in. The records of Nether Chapel are at the Archives I think. If you google Nether Chapel Sheffield there is quite a bit of info there.
                                           

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Will send a PM to you.

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Re: Parents and siblings of Thomas Oates (1792 - 1871)79
« Reply #22 on: Friday 20 January 12 11:07 GMT (UK) »
There is a longer obituary of Thomas from 1871.

Among other things it says that his father was a respectable manufacturer, George Oates
who lived many years in the Wicker, in the house which is now the Station Inn.

Thomas also spent time in the United States.
He had also been a Town councillor and an Alderman.

I am wondering if the paper was in error in calling his father George. I could not find a George in the Wicker in the directories at http://www.sheffieldindexers.com, but there are these entries:

Oates, Francis (fine scissor manufacturer).
Residing at 22 Wicker, Sheffield in 1825.
Recorded in: Gells 1825 Directory of Sheffield.
     
Oates, Francis & Sons (merchants).
Residing at 22 Wicker, Sheffield in 1825.
Recorded in: Gells 1825 Directory of Sheffield.

Hugh



Hello again Hugh

Has meant to mention that Thomas & Charlotte marriage has Thomas from Wicker;  a coincidence?

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Mxmar0

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Re: Parents and siblings of Thomas Oates (1792 - 1871)79
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 21 January 12 23:32 GMT (UK) »
Good morning all

Am still looking for the family of George, Thomas and now Harriott Oates and thought that is I post part of Thomas Will it might add some more detail to the forum members each as follows.

Hugh provided 2 references for Business Directories for Francis the father as Francis Oates and sons.   This leads me to wonder if there were other sons?  In part this is because of the will left by Thomas mentions a nephew Frank Wever and this means the nephew must originate out of one of Thomas siblings or his wife Charlotte.  None of Charlotte's side have any Wevers (well at least as far as I have found) so it leaves me to think that either Thomas sister Harriott married ? Wever or there are more boys but then their last name wouldn't be Wever would it...I have found the Leightons and Sandersons but no luck as yet on the others mentioned as follows so have my hope the forum members may be able to find the link...

In part Thomas will states "...such of my nephews and nieces hereinafter named who may be living at the death of my said wife that is to say George Oates Frances ? (formerly Frances Oates spinster) Isabella ? (formerly Isabella Oates Spinster) Elizabeth the widow of Edward Oates (formerly Elizabeth Leighton Spinster) the said Frank Weaver in addition to the said legacy of fifty pounds herewithfore given to him; George ? Mary ? Ellen Jackson (?) (formerly Ellen ? Spinster) Harriet ? (formerly Harriet ? Spinster) John ? Susan Dracott Mary Ann Leighton Fanny Leighton Charlotte Leighton Charlotte Sanderson..."

To date I haven't found the link between these nephews and nieces and Thomas/George & Harriott hence my query

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Re: Parents and siblings of Thomas Oates (1792 - 1871)79
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 22 January 12 13:24 GMT (UK) »
Not sure if you already have it, but the will of, "George Oates of King St., Charlston, South Carolina, Merchant".  I presume its the right one as its dated 15 Nov 1852, same date you have for his death, proved in London 27 Feb 1854. Mentions his wife Frances and daughters Frances and Isabella, and sons George, Edward and Henry Thomas. Also mentions that as well as his property in Charlston, he had a store and warehouse in Augusta Georgia, and land and effects in Sheffield, Yorkshire.
Executors are his three sons.
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Cumberland - Irving, Hill
Yorkshire - Layfield,
Ireland - Collins

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Re: Parents and siblings of Thomas Oates (1792 - 1871)79
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 22 January 12 14:23 GMT (UK) »
Some probable baptisms of children of George and Frances at Queen Street Independent Chapel in Sheffield.
Born 10 May 1820, George Ambrose Oates, son of George and Frances, baptized 19 Nov 1820.
Born 30 April 1822, Henry Thomas Oats, son of George and Frances, baptized 20 July 1822.
Born 11 June 1824, Edward Hawksley Oates, son of George and Frances, baptized 29 Aug 1824.
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Yorkshire - Layfield,
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Re: Parents and siblings of Thomas Oates (1792 - 1871)79
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 25 January 12 09:02 GMT (UK) »
Some probable baptisms of children of George and Frances at Queen Street Independent Chapel in Sheffield.
Born 10 May 1820, George Ambrose Oates, son of George and Frances, baptized 19 Nov 1820.
Born 30 April 1822, Henry Thomas Oats, son of George and Frances, baptized 20 July 1822.
Born 11 June 1824, Edward Hawksley Oates, son of George and Frances, baptized 29 Aug 1824.
Alan.

Hello Alan

Can you please have a look at your records and see if they have the birth and baptisms of the sisters Frances and Isabella please??

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