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Topic: Thomas Walker/ Eliza Condie: Marriage 1870-78? Middlesex/ London? (Read 1831 times)
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lawless48
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Thank you do much everyone again for your help.
For many many years I sought the marriage certificate and thank you Rosie and Ray for that section of the Register which shows.. Condei' NOT show on the GRO Certificate. Thanks also to Jennifer, Ladyhawke and Eysee - for all your help.
I think now that I know that the 1877 Certificate is the Marriage I sought I'll concentrate on it and I would welcome very much your comments on the following:
Traditionally, its custom to have one member each to be witnessess at a Wedding, particularly in the 18/ 19th Century. That is why one question has been going around in my head: Why did Charolette Summerfield witness the Emmanuel Wedding? I think that she was related, in some way, to my Elizabeth Condie
Her own wedding to William John Hope 1879 (Born Scotland), also at Emmanuel was witnessed by Walter Walker and Harriet Maria Hope - Sister of William John since the parents are John and Caroline
All at Emmanuel Church: Witnesses to the wedding. I can only assume that they lived and worked near eachother if not in the same street? Were they all from or some from Scotland? Would the 1871 census show the Summerfields/ Hopes/ Walkers and yes Condie living in the same road/ street/ terrace?
I think that the 1877 marriage and Summerfield in particular may have more to give.
The Second area is the Condie (Saunders) connection
I looked at my Eliza's family and my Grandmother's name, Edith - Why Edith?
Well, an Edith Condie was born in Kidderminster, Worcestershire: James Condie (Saunders) was born in Worcester 1850: There was also a Mary Ann April - May 1851 born in Worcester.
There is a Edith May Condie April - June 1893 born in Poplar - a relation?
Eliza's eldest daughter, Elizabeth Marion Condie
There is a Mirran Condie born again in Worcseter July - August 1838
However, I think concentrating on the 1877 Marriage may be the answer
The ironic point in regards to Worcester (supra) is that the 1861 batisms for Eliza, James for St Giles Southwark, abode....' Worcester Street' - not uncommon for people from a particular area to have the street or area named after them - is this where the 1861 census is?
Once again, many thanks for eveyone's help
Steve
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lawless48
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Hello everyone and many many thanks for all your help
I have just been trying to examine the 1861 census in Camberwell and have come across:
Emmanuel Row, High Street Camberwell:
Emmanuel Place - and Emmanuel Vicarage:
Maybe there's a Condie or Condei or similar - it would answer the question why the marriage states 'Emmanuel' as residence in 1877? - it could mean Emmanuel Row:
1871 Census seems to show similar - this may be the answer to where Thomas Walter Walker and Elizabeth Condei (Condie) were living - Steve
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jennifer c
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I think Emmanual was show as their 'parish' for their address.
Jennifer
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lawless48
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Hi Everyone
Ray has kindly provided the following suggestion
I have tried in vain to follow this but cannot seem to find a route - be helpful if anyone could help so that I can check the Emmanuel census
Thanks Steve
Hi Steve
Just thought I#d mention (in case you did not know) that you can "walk thru" a census.
Ancestry - find anyone in (any) "Emmanuel" then use the left/right arrows or the page number to start at page 1 and walk around the census the way the enumerator took it.
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Ladyhawk
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Try this hope it works
I tried searching A*****y 1861c using
Residence Surrey Civil Parish St Giles Town Camberwell
There’s over 5000 pages, tried to narrow it down not using surname only then with parents names
I couldn’t find a Condie or variation of – doesn’t mean they are not there
Page 1 to 11 all patients Camberwell St Giles Surrey
I then clicked view on first name Adna Abbs after last patient
Images 36 of 57 came up
click on right or left arrow to take you forwards or backwards
This is the heading of that census page
Parish Parlimentry Borough Town Ecclesistical District of
St Giles Lambeth Camberwell Emmanuel
54 Waterloo Street Mary Davies age 12
I also tried to check FMP - you would need a subscription to view - perhaps someone on here may have and can check the addresses for you
FMP 1861 address search I just entered name Emmanuel in residential place went to page 4 then clicked on each Emmanuel name St Giles see info. below
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/content/search-menu/census-land-and-surveys
Schedule 151 – 154
House No’s 1 – 3 Emmanuel Row High Street Camberwell
Civil Parish St Giles Reg.Dis. Camberwell County London Surrey
Schedule 157 – 160
House no’s 5 – 9 Emmanuel Place
CP Giles RD Camberwell County London Surrey
Schedule 161 – 164
House No’s 1 – 3 Emmanuel Place Union Road
CP St Giles RD Camberwell County London surrey
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lawless48
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AHHHHH I give up - I have tried to 'walk through' the 1871 Cebsus for Emmanuel and con't seem to do it - I know that Condei/ Condie is there - I feel it in my bones - hope someone can help PLEASE
Steve
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lawless48
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Thanks Ray
I really want to see that Emmanuel census - I feel, as Ladyhawke, Jennifer and Eysee have been looking for the 1861 census so very hard and been so very very kind to do so that along with yourself and Rosie who identified the Condei signature that the marriage certicate didnt which I remain VERY annoyed about,that this could be where that 1861 census lies.
The point is that on Elizabeth Marion certificate, 1879, it lists an E Coudie (probably Condie or maybe Condei as present at the birth/ registered it and mother as Elizabeth Walker, formerly Coudie: Address 40 Stafford Street, Peckham
On the Thomas Walker birth, 1878, it lists, the register as Elizabeth Walker mother and birth as Elizabeth Walker, formerly Condie
Address, 8 Great Orchard Row
The 1877 Marriage , place of residence 'Emmanuel'
I believe that this E Condie was a Mother/ Sister or male relative and living with Eliza when she got married - somewhere in Emmanuel
By the Ray, I have'nt forgotten your theory of Cono le - it is always a possiblity that Con ole became Conde et al. However, your's and Rose's copy of the signature seems to state Condei -
As Always any help is welcome: You have all been so very kind
Steve
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