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maltingo
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" Story "
« on: Monday 23 January 12 11:41 GMT (UK) » |
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A long shot I expect but here goes.....................
I am working on a family tree, the surname is Bearman.
Family story has it that a great great grandfather ( 1840's ) lived in a manor house in/off Pepys Road, London SE.
Upon his death a butler and servant forged the will and laid claim to the estate.
The police working on enquiries, went to a Pub to arrest a man, he said he was just going to collect his coat and seconds later he had shot himself ?
True ? I do not know, its a great storyline that could have happened a thousand times before or since.
Is it possible to track through local papers ? or an impossible task ?
regards
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maltingo
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Re: " Story "
« Reply #2 on: Monday 23 January 12 14:36 GMT (UK) » |
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Thanks Nick.
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Valda
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Re: " Story "
« Reply #4 on: Monday 23 January 12 18:29 GMT (UK) » |
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Hi
Did great grandfather live off Pepys Road in the metropolitan area of Surrey (London didn't officially stretch that far in the 1840s) on the 1841 census? Did he have servants and what were their names? From his date of death is there a corresponding proven will? If you can't find him on the census does his death certificate indicate he was a man of substance (by his occupation or the fact he was retired)?
Always start from the known and work from that to find out further information.
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Valda
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maltingo
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Re: " Story "
« Reply #5 on: Monday 23 January 12 19:59 GMT (UK) » |
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Thank you to all who have replied, so far.
As usual the family story is unsure of the generation involved, and did say they thought it was Great Great,
I can only get back to Great Grandfather born 1822, he did live closest to Pepys Road, New Cross area,
He married in 1844, Thomas Bearman to Eliza Foulds at Bromley.
I cannot find him on 1841, only 1851 as Thomas Berryman, Greenwich, at 21 Freindly St, 1861 aged 36, Regent St, Deptford, 1871, in Greenwich Workhouse, 1881 in Deptford, lodging with a Widow names Charlotte Croft.
He died in 1890 in Greenwich Union Workhouse Infirmary aged 68, so I cannot really see it being him.
But they are sure it was Bearman line.
"Sorry," it was confusing for me too !
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maltingo
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Re: " Story "
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 24 January 12 01:03 GMT (UK) » |
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Sorry Ray,
The spelling of the name is Bearman, although on an earlier census (1851) I think it was down as Berryman.
Thomas died as Thomas Bearman in 1890.
Pepys Road is SE 14 and is off/at junction with New Cross Road, in London.
I appreciate that it may have been a different referred to district in 1840's onwards.
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Re: " Story "
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 24 January 12 01:20 GMT (UK) » |
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Valda
I understand what you say, and I expect Pepys Road was in Surrey in those days.
As I have said Thomas was in and out of the workhouse, I cannot believe the "Story" and the will was about him.
But I wondered, when I sent for the marriage lines for Thomas and Eliza Foulds, it says his fathers name was Thomas, I cannot begin to think how to find anything on him, as his son was born in 1822, so surely his father was born 1700's approx, but it may have been him that died ? and Thomas the son was cheated out of the estate ?
by his fathers servant/Butler ?
As I said before, and I know a lot of families stories passed down turn out to be false, but this sounds so realistic and plausible, a chap collared by the police at a pub, pauses to collect his coat before going with the Police, and shoots himself ?
I do not know when Thomas the father died, which may have assisted with a will record.
Thanks and regards
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