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roma
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Family lore has it on my maternal side that our ancestors were Spanish. I have recently had a breakthrough tracing an Elizabeth SPAIN who was my gggggrandmother to Sandwich in Kent, marrying John PERKINS in 1797.
Does anyone have any history of SPAIN family in Kent, I believe several Spaniards settled in Sandwich after being stranded from the Armada and all adopted the name SPAIN.
Any information gratefully received.
Roma
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Sue C
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Hi Roma,
Try the surname navigator, it will give you many genealogy pages to browse if you type in the surname you are searching for http://www.rat.de/kuijsten/navigator/england/index.html
Good luck,
Sue
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roma
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Hi Sue
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roma
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Hi Sue
I don't know what happened in the previous message it just went before I had even started.
Thanks for the information on the wb site. I will give it a try.
Thank you gain
roma
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regross
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Hi,
I have a John Spain from Kent who married into my Abbot line in Hampstead in 1879.
In the 1881 census and the 1901 census he gives his place of birth as "NEAR DOVER" est dob 1851.
Robyn in Australia
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Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer: Middlesex;
Greenaway:Cornwall;
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett, Hampshire;
Gullett: Devon:
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon, Scotland;
Arnold, Morton: Ireland;
Davies:Wales;
Olcorn:Cumberland;
Osborne: Staffordshire;
Harrington: Kent
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regross
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Phil,
I wish I could be of greater assistance, I know that my mother's family were in contact with the Spains in the 1950-1960 period. They wer in Australia then, which ties in with your inforamtion that a branch came here.
My mother who is 81 remebers them visiting and thnks that one was NElly Spin, she rememebrs the naem as it was "Nelly" was the same name as her aunt who had been Ellen MAry Abbott before marrying and moving to the USA,
Relatives in USA have a birthday book with Spain birthdays in it. I will contact them and see what they have. This book belonged to Ellen Mary Patterson nee Abbott.
So far I have John Spain b c1851 near Dover marrying 1879 Ellen Mary Abbott b Hampstead 1853.
Children: Ellen S Spain b 1881 and George Spain b 1883,
(source censuses) (could be more)
If it was the daughter Ellen she would have been 70+ when she visited my grandparents.
Ellen Mary had a much younger sister Jessie born c18641 and I found a 1916 marriage between a Jessie C Abbot tand a William A Spain.
Would dearly love to know if there is a double connection there.
Will have a look later at Spin families in the indexes I can access her in Australia and get back to you if I find anything.
regards
Robyn
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Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer: Middlesex;
Greenaway:Cornwall;
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett, Hampshire;
Gullett: Devon:
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon, Scotland;
Arnold, Morton: Ireland;
Davies:Wales;
Olcorn:Cumberland;
Osborne: Staffordshire;
Harrington: Kent
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regross
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Phil,
I'm still sleuthing.
Sent you a PM with some early Victorian record details. Then looked for later arrivals:
at http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx I am not sure of the process but I think these records can be ordered.
I found only two records for persons by the name of Spain arriving in Australia from 1945.
Frederick G. Spain and Daisy Ethel Spain on the Austurias in March 1947.
Presumably husband and wife as they have the same reference numbers. They disembarked in Sydney, and departed from Southampton
In the NSW records I found a death for a Frederick George Spain in 1968 parents Stephen Spain and Mary and for Ethel Spain in 1961.
The certificates would give date of marriage, place of birth names and ages of children etc.
These are searchable at http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
and can be ordered on line.
regards
Robyn
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Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer: Middlesex;
Greenaway:Cornwall;
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett, Hampshire;
Gullett: Devon:
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon, Scotland;
Arnold, Morton: Ireland;
Davies:Wales;
Olcorn:Cumberland;
Osborne: Staffordshire;
Harrington: Kent
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nelwild
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roma,i saw your thread whilst searching for other possible immigrant ancesters and wonder if there is a link.i have a jane elizabeth spain who married john holton pain in december q1845 thanet kent.i also have perkins in this part of my tree,gards,nel.
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BettyofKent
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I've just started on my SPAIN line, & this thread comes up first on Google 
I've got as far back as Thomas Spain, born abt 1791 in Canterbury, Kent. He married Mary Ann (IGI says Mary Ann Spain) 1821 in Walmer. All the children were born in Walmer.
As the Spains seem to be in roughly the same part of Kent, I suppose there's a chance we are all related somewhere along the line.
Betty
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KENT: Stutely - Wittersham & Stone Padgham - Wittersham Wanstall - Northbourne Taylor - Ringwould & Ash Skinner - Deal Bushell - Walmer Spain - Walmer Also Schloss - Poland, Nottingham, Massachusetts & New Zealand. Cohen - Birmingham "Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov. |
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tauporainbow
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Hi all. Have a small spain problem that needs help.
I have a Thomas SPAIN who married a 'Maria' and had Susannah SPAIN. Unfortiunately I have been digging about and have now 'clouded the ground' with Maria being either Maria Ann WARREN or Maria SILVER (or both depending if she was twice married!).
Now, Thomas SPAIN (b. c1778, d. 1864, Kent) married Maria (b c1797, Kent). They had Susannah and other issue but Susannah was born 20 Mar 1838, in Newington, Kent, (d. 1868, Bridge, Kent). She married Edward Francis FORDRED in 1st Qtr, 1858 in Elham, Kent. Susannah was my wife's maternal GGGrandmother. Lot's of SPAIN's in Kent so need a litle help in identifying my one. I guess I could seek a Marriage Certificate and wouldn't need any help! However, any help or family contacts much appreciated.
Gordon
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nelwild
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hello,i was wondering if anyone researching spains who went to australia might be intrested in this info.my gggg grandmothers sister sarah amelia spain married george penn in thanet 10/10/1847,the emigrated to australia aboard the sophia,departing plymouth 27/04/1850 to freemantle WA.george fell off a bridge into the swan river whilst returning home from the pub in 1853,and sarah re-married convict john oldfield on 03/01/1854 in middle swan.john was a coal miner/hallier from bedminster who was convicted of stealing sheep in 1851 and was sentenced to seven years transportation.he was first on the stirling castle convict hulk,then sailed from portland roads on the sv marion on 02/11/1851,arrived freemantle on 30/01/1852.george and sarah amelia had children,one daughter elizabeth married robert carter,also the child of a convict from norfolk,they had 8 sons,2 daughters,77 grandchildren,139 great-grandchildren and 8 gg grandchildren.the families eventually became involved in a range of jobs including lead-mining,pubs and farmsteads.i am now in touch with a relative in australia and have quite a bit more info if anyones intrested,all the best,nel.
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tauporainbow
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Nel
Hi from Taupo, New Zealand. Sorry that I can't find any link but my SPAIN's are only through Susannah. Would like to be able to conect with your wonderful patchwork of Australian history but alas I cannot!
Gordon
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sirhc
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Hi Gordon
I have just spotted your post. Thomas Spain married Maria Silver in Northbourne 8 Oct 1829. I am researching William Spain born 1830 your Susannah's brother.
Thomas was the son of John Spain b1753 and Anne Finnis b1758
I have a bit more info on the Spains if you are interested
Regards
Chris
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