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Sarah WILTON marriage to James ADAMS HOLBORN DISTRICT 1864
« on: Tuesday 31 January 12 20:50 GMT (UK) »

Has anyone come across the following marriage?

James Adams to a Sarah Wilton in Holborn reg district in 1864

I am loathe to purchase the marriage certificate as a recent purchase of another GRO certificate had different signatures than that of the original marriage register

If anyone has come across this marriage and details I would be very grateful

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Re: Sarah WILTON marriage to James ADAMS HOLBORN DISTRICT 1864
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 31 January 12 21:58 GMT (UK) »

Hi Steve

The majority of the deposited registers of Anglican churches in and around London & Middlesex have been digitised and put online. These images are of the actual parish registers and show the actual signatures.

So if this marriage cannot be found there, it took place in a register office, a non-anglican church (Catholic, Methodist, Baptist etc) Synagogue or Friends Meeting House.

These marriage certificates are available from the GRO at Southport but they are compiled from the quarterly returns submitted to the Registrar General and so the 'signatures' are transcriptions. This is true for all old entries, made before technology in the form of microfilms came along.

Unless you know where the marriage actually took place, you will not be able to track down the original register. It is possible that some of the registers are still at the place of worship.

Please note though that if the marriage took place at the register office, the superintendent registrar of that district is under no obligation to let you have a photocopy of the signature on the entry or even have a look at the physical entry.

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Re: Sarah WILTON marriage to James ADAMS HOLBORN DISTRICT 1864
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 31 January 12 23:02 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Dawn

Just Holborn - and it could be anywhere - though quite interesting that it maybe non-conformist or not a church as such - if correct - James married Sarah who was a single mother - a child was born in 1860 Eliza and if the theory is correct James married her - question was -was she still married but seperated -

In any case - I just don't trust these GRO certificates - I purchased one and the witness signatures were different to that of the register - thanks to colleagues on line they identified the correct ones

Thank for all your help and suggest

Steve

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Re: Sarah WILTON marriage to James ADAMS HOLBORN DISTRICT 1864
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 01 February 12 13:48 GMT (UK) »

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Re: Sarah WILTON marriage to James ADAMS HOLBORN DISTRICT 1864
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 01 February 12 17:43 GMT (UK) »

Steve

Maybe these 3? ...........

1861 RG9 162  70 19,         South Hackney, District 3, Page 19
11 Goring Street
Sarah        Wilton Head 28 UNMARRIED, Shoe Binder, St Georges East
Robert       Wilton Son     5 Bethnal Green
Elizabeth   Wilton Dau     2 Bethnal Green


1851 there is a female S Wilton 12 in 17 New Ormond Street, HOLBORN.
HO 107 1513  203 40 , Holborn St Andrew, St George, District 5a, Page 1
Is that a school/home of some kind?

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Re: Sarah WILTON marriage to James ADAMS HOLBORN DISTRICT 1864
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 01 February 12 19:39 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Dawn and Ray

There is the Church of St Andrew's Holborn  - Could this be the place of the marriage?

Thanks for all your help

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Re: Sarah WILTON marriage to James ADAMS HOLBORN DISTRICT 1864
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 01 February 12 20:04 GMT (UK) »

The 1864 entries in the parish register for St Andrew Holborn are online but they come under the West London registration district.

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Re: Sarah WILTON marriage to James ADAMS HOLBORN DISTRICT 1864
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 01 February 12 21:19 GMT (UK) »

I've had a look at the page range for this quarter which runs from 665 to 706

I've identified the anglican marriages and the entry you are interested is not in those ranges.

http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/HolbornStAndrew/outline.htm

So that leaves the non-conformists, Catholics (the marriages consecrated at St Peters Italian Catholic church might be included in this range) and the register office.

I don't know if there is a complete list anywhere for which places of worship make up this registration district.

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Re: Sarah WILTON marriage to James ADAMS HOLBORN DISTRICT 1864
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 02 February 12 00:26 GMT (UK) »

Thank you very much for checking Dawn

I can't really think where I go from here - loathe to get the GRO Certificate but probably have no choice - thing is I just don't trust the signatures - not always the same as the register - though I guess I'll at least know the church - However, as you intimated - could this have been a Register Office?

St Phillips, I believe is at the north end of Leather Lane: At the South there used to be a St Bridgets - Catholic Church where my ancester Rose Lawless was married to John Street - their daughter, Mary married Henry Robert Adams - son of James Adams - could be that James and Sarah Wilton were married in this church?

Once again, thank you so much for looking

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Re: Sarah WILTON marriage to James ADAMS HOLBORN DISTRICT 1864
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 02 February 12 07:54 GMT (UK) »

Steve

1830 City of London, St Andrew Holborn, 1830, Page 32, #2901
May 23 1830
Sarah Ann Wilton b March 30 1830
William Wilkins Wilton   BOOKSELLER
Sara Elizabeth Wilton

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