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pete edwards
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edwards
« on: Friday 13 May 05 18:04 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi all
trying to find the birth details of my g g grandfather THOMAS EDWARDS b ab 1832
Cound,Shropshire.
From what I can make out on the 1851 census discs he is living at home with his
brother charles, father George and mother Sarah.
If I had a copy of his birth certificate would this show me his mothers maiden name?
I have the English parish records on disc from about 1540 (fascinating reading)
and found a marriage between George Edwards and Sarah rowe in 1808 in Cound
Thomas married Ellen Litthales of Berrington approx 1856 but I cant trace any
certificate anywhere
any help on this would be much appreciated
many thanks peter
p.s please excuse the typing ,being a plumber I have no need of a keyboard.
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Edwards, mainly Cound, Frodesely, Acton Burnell. Pitchford. and surrounding villages, Shropshire, / Rowe, Cound, / Littlehales, Berrington, Shropshire / Radford, Dublin, / Maguire, Acton Burnell, / Rudge, Frodesely, /
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KathyM
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Re: edwards
« Reply #1 on: Friday 13 May 05 18:14 UTC (UK) » |
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The registration of births didn't start until 1837 - so he wouldn't have a birth certificate with his mothers maiden name.
Did he have any siblings born after 1837 ? It is often worth searching for a brother or sisters birth certificate - sometimes you have to go sideways before you can go backwards !
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~~~~~~~~ Census transcriptions Crown Copyright, www.NationalArchives.gov.ukArdill, Bourke/Burke, Bellwood, Bridge, Cain, Church, Cragg, Dennell, Dunning, Gough, Haslam, Holmes, Jessop, Kidson/Kitson, Knowles, Markwick, Martin, Munden, Nickerson, Robinson, Seddon, Whittle, Varley & Walpole. Areas: Yorkshire, Lancashire, Norfolk, Marylebone & Tipperary |
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pete edwards
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Re: edwards
« Reply #2 on: Friday 13 May 05 19:08 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi
many thanks Kathym
As far as I can make out he had a older brother. Charles B ab 1828 (cant find)
1851 census
George Edwards Head ab 57 married ag/lab born Cound
Sarah (nee?) wife ab 60 born Cound
Thomas Edwards son ab 22 u/m ag/lab born Cound
charles edwards son ab 24 u/m ag/lab born cound
Anne edwards niece 11 years neice Coundmoor
Emma edwards niece 1 year neice Cound
This is all that I know to date
best regards pete.
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Edwards, mainly Cound, Frodesely, Acton Burnell. Pitchford. and surrounding villages, Shropshire, / Rowe, Cound, / Littlehales, Berrington, Shropshire / Radford, Dublin, / Maguire, Acton Burnell, / Rudge, Frodesely, /
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KathyM
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Re: edwards
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 14 May 05 07:53 UTC (UK) » |
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In 1861 - Sarah's age is given as 76 -the ages could be a bit out !!!
1861 at Cound Moor (RG9/1861/34
Sarah EDWARDS 76 Widow Dowager - 1 3/4 acres B: Cound
Charles Edwards 35 son Farm Lab "
1861 - at Frodesley - (RG9/1861/67)
Thomas Edwards 33 Head Ag Lab B: Cound
Ellen Edwards 26 wife Berrington
James Edwards 3 son Frodesley
George Edwards 1 son Cound
I can't find a marriage either - but then again - I can't find ANYTHING for the name LITTHALES - are youi sure this the right spelling......
Maybe she had a speech impediment - and her name was Littles !
Also - is there a possibility that they were RC ?
On the LDS website, there is a family baptised at - Acton Burnell - children of George Edwards & Sarah (Still written in the Latin form)
Martha 1809
Joannes 1811
Margerita 1816
Jacobus 1821
Carolus 1824 (Charles)
Thomas 1829
Emma 1830
This would fit in with the Sarah Rowe marriage
Have you found George's death certificate ?
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~~~~~~~~ Census transcriptions Crown Copyright, www.NationalArchives.gov.ukArdill, Bourke/Burke, Bellwood, Bridge, Cain, Church, Cragg, Dennell, Dunning, Gough, Haslam, Holmes, Jessop, Kidson/Kitson, Knowles, Markwick, Martin, Munden, Nickerson, Robinson, Seddon, Whittle, Varley & Walpole. Areas: Yorkshire, Lancashire, Norfolk, Marylebone & Tipperary |
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pete edwards
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Re: edwards
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 14 May 05 12:48 UTC (UK) » |
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So sorry Kathym
you were right I have giving you the wrong spelling, it should read LITTLEHALES
according to the English parish records disc, the marriage of George Edwards
and Sarah Rowe both Cound in 1808 produced a daughter Margret b 1808
(assuming this to be the George and Sarah in the 51 census?) this would make
her the older sister of Thomas
do you think it is worth my while trying to trace her?
being new to this hobby I have never giving it a thought before but now I am starting to realise how archiac our boundry systems are
Many thanks for the 61 look up it is the only year I am missing back to 51
Kind regards Pete
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KJF
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Re: edwards
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 31 May 05 01:32 UTC (UK) » |
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Pete
The 1841 census entry could confirm Sarah was Sarah Rowe although no relationships are listed (ages are rounded up or down to the nearest 5 years for adults depending on the enumerator):
HO107/910 Folio 18 Page 5. Cound Moor
George EDWARDS, 50, Ag Lab, born Shropshire
Sarah EDWARDS, 50, born Shropshire
James EDWARDS, 20, Ag Lab, born Shropshire
Thomas EDWARDS, 13, Ag Lab, born Shropshire
Mary EDWARDS, 20, born Shropshire
Margaret ROWE, 80, born Shropshire
Hope that helps.
Best wishes
Karen
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