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barney
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Looking for any descendants of Archibald Ramage & Smithson Peverall married 1757 in Chester-le-Street. Archibald was a tobacconist in C-le-St. Their entry in church records reads: "Archibald Ramage, tobacconist, and his wife Smithson of Wakefield" so I don't know if they both came from there of just her. Known children were: Henry b 8th Jan 1769, John b. 1760 and Mary b. 1765. The large gap between marriage date and birth of first known child suggests they weren't from Chester-le-Street at least!
Mary went on to marry William Watson in 1786 in C-le-St and Henry married Isabeela Airey of Kellington, Yorkshire in 1792 in C-le-St. They had 8 children: John 1793, Smithson 1795, Henry 1797, Christpher 1799, Mary 1801, Robert 1804(1881 census-living in Spennymoor) Henry 1806 and Ann 1809.
Henry b. 1806 married Elizabeth Sedgwick in 1830 in Bishopwearmouth. They had 4 known children: Isabella 1831, Elizabeth 1832, Jane 1834 Anne 1836, all born in Conniscliffe, Cleveland. Would love to find descendants of any of the above.
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coombs
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Hi Barney
I am also very interested in the lineage of Archibald Ramage and Smithson Peverell as I descend from their son Henry b1769's granndaughter Jane Ramage b1834.
Ramage is a Scottish name through and through and Archibald is a Scottish first name so it is very likely that Archie Ramage came from Scotland originally. He probably moved to Durham in about 1750.
His wife Smithson Ramage died in February 1770 and is buried on the 21st and the register says "Settlement at Wakefield". Now there is Wakefield in Yorkshire and a Wakefield in Aberdeenshire in Scotland, so I wonder which one they or one of them came from. Maybe, as Archie Ramage was a tobacconist, his job might have entaild him moving around selling tobacco. Maybe he had a shop in Wakefield and Chester le Street. I would like to establish Archibald Ramage's Scottish link.
There was an Archibald Ramage who wed Ann in 1741 in Leeds but there also was an Elizabeth Ramage b1758, Robert Ramage b1761 and Mary Ramage b1765 all baptised at St Peter Leeds Yorkshire. It just says their fathers name which was Archibald Ramage. As our one wed Smithson Peverell in 1757, that could explain the large gap between John b1760 and Henry b1769 in Chester Le Street. Archie must have had tobacco shops in Durham and Yorkshire. The Mary Ramage b1764 is most likely the one who wed in 1786 in Durham.
Ben
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET/SOMERSET Coombs, pre 1780s.
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Palding
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham.
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe.
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster.
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk 1700s.
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift.
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain.
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Darlingtonian
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Hi Barney....... this will where the Ramages and Sedgewicks meet up again.
I think we've been here before. ...... lol
I come down from Henry Ramage and Isabella Airey ........ their son Henry 1806 and Elizabeth Sedgewick ...........their daughter Anne Ramage 1836.
I noticed there's also a Smithson Peverall baptised in Gainford, Co Durham 29th Nov 1725 from IGI and The County Durham Transciptions.. she had a sister Elianor Peverall baptised 17th Aug 1727 who married a Joseph Carter also in Chester le Street 8th July 1756 .....they were the daughters of Henry and Mary Peverall .......so the Peveralls maybe moved from Gainford to Chester le Street.
Please keep me in the loop....as the Ramage name does appear to come from Scotland .......... and that's me lost in the hills!!!!
Jean
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Lidster, Mellanby, Milburn, Laidler, Peart, Thornton, Catterson, How, Ingleby, Ramage, Sedgewick, Collinson....... Co.Durham
Ingleby....Derbyshire
Ellwood, Rigg, Gibson, Park, Fothergill.....Westmorland
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coombs
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Update. There was a Robert Ramage buried in July 1774 in Chester Le Street, described as "Son of Archibald Ramage" from the FamilySearch Record Search website. So it is definate that the Robert born in 1761 in Leeds to Archibald was the one buried in Chester Le Street. Archibald lived in Wakefield and Chester Le Street, meaning the Archibald Ramage who wed Ann Benton in 1741 in Leeds is the same man who wed Smithson Peverell.
Leeds is next to Wakefield so that explains the Wakefield connection and the Leeds Ramage births.
Even though the IGI isnt complete, the 1741 marriage is the earliest of any Archibald Ramage BMD in England, so he must have originated from Scotland. He was probably born c1715 and there are two likely Archibald Ramage baptisms in Scotland from IGI, one in 1712 and one in 1714 in the Midlothian area.
Ben
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET/SOMERSET Coombs, pre 1780s.
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Palding
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham.
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe.
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster.
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk 1700s.
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift.
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain.
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coombs
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Thomas Roberts & Mary Ann Walder 1864 Marriage
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Hi Empty.
Where did you get that info from that he was born in 1730? Do you know when he died at all?
I think he was Scottish
Ben
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET/SOMERSET Coombs, pre 1780s.
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Palding
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham.
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe.
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster.
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk 1700s.
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift.
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain.
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coombs
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i just searched the IGI and couldnt find a birth for him 1725-1735. The nearest one was 1714 in Aberdeenshire, Scotland. Archibald Ramage was still alive in 1774 when his son Robert died. Could it be he might have been born before 1730?
Ben
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET/SOMERSET Coombs, pre 1780s.
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Palding
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham.
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe.
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster.
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk 1700s.
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift.
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain.
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I'm waiting with anticipation ...... for someone to come up with a birth for archibald ...... or a death ....... searching the BTs is such a strain on the eyes!!
Between 1857 and 1870 did they only have the three children Ben? ... John, Mary and Henry.
Jean
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Lidster, Mellanby, Milburn, Laidler, Peart, Thornton, Catterson, How, Ingleby, Ramage, Sedgewick, Collinson....... Co.Durham
Ingleby....Derbyshire
Ellwood, Rigg, Gibson, Park, Fothergill.....Westmorland
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Darlingtonian
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thanks Empty ...... I hadn't looked for a death for son Henry ...... only grandson Henry.
I've got Smithson's burial in 1770 but the only birth I can find is in Gainford 29th Nov 1725 daughter of Henry and Mary Perverall and sister of Elianor Peverall 1727 and a brother John 1716 who died 1717.
Mary Peverall married Joseph carter in Chester le Street 8th July 1756.
Does this fit in with what you have?
Jean
Sorry ..... I had this in an earlier post .... just noticed
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Lidster, Mellanby, Milburn, Laidler, Peart, Thornton, Catterson, How, Ingleby, Ramage, Sedgewick, Collinson....... Co.Durham
Ingleby....Derbyshire
Ellwood, Rigg, Gibson, Park, Fothergill.....Westmorland
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