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Topic: Archibald Ramage & Smithson Peverall (Read 2899 times)
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coombs
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Thomas Roberts & Mary Ann Walder 1864 Marriage
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Hi
Ramage is a Scottish surname and Archibald is a Scots forename. I also have Scots ancestors Stewarts who moved from Selkirk to Bishop Auckland in about 1760.
Can anyone verify that Archibald was born in Wakefield? Robert Ramage was baptised in Leeds, Yorkshire according to the IGI. I cannot remember the exact date but I think it was 1758 to 1765. With such a Scots sounding name, I think Archie Ramage was Scottish or of Scottish heritage.
Ben
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET/SOMERSET Coombs, pre 1780s.
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Palding
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham.
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe.
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster.
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk 1700s.
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift.
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain.
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Darlingtonian
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Ben, the Wakefield angle has me baffled .... with none of my early families going any further south than Darlington.
The scottish angle sounds about right .... but Wakefield. ..... but that's what it says in the transcripts.
As somebody already suggested on another thread .....'maybe there was another Wakefield' ............. but I can't find one.
Jean
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Lidster, Mellanby, Milburn, Laidler, Peart, Thornton, Catterson, How, Ingleby, Ramage, Sedgewick, Collinson....... Co.Durham
Ingleby....Derbyshire
Ellwood, Rigg, Gibson, Park, Fothergill.....Westmorland
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Darlingtonian
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Just thought........ Isabella Airey who married Henry Ramage came from Kellington, N. Yorkshire ....... that's near Wakefield as well ......... so there must be quite a big commitment to the area.
Jean
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Lidster, Mellanby, Milburn, Laidler, Peart, Thornton, Catterson, How, Ingleby, Ramage, Sedgewick, Collinson....... Co.Durham
Ingleby....Derbyshire
Ellwood, Rigg, Gibson, Park, Fothergill.....Westmorland
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Darlingtonian
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Think I'll leave poor Archie in peace....... the only three children I have for him are John , Mary & Henry.
You've tried Empty .....thanks... i think some people aren't meant to be found.... although they must be related somehow ... with a name like Archibald Ramage ...
My head's buzzing ........ been trying to sort out my early Peart family in Stanhope. ... hundreds of them.!!!
Jean
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Lidster, Mellanby, Milburn, Laidler, Peart, Thornton, Catterson, How, Ingleby, Ramage, Sedgewick, Collinson....... Co.Durham
Ingleby....Derbyshire
Ellwood, Rigg, Gibson, Park, Fothergill.....Westmorland
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coombs
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Thomas Roberts & Mary Ann Walder 1864 Marriage
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Hi know the exact Scottish naming pattern. I'll explain mine with my Stewarts.
This also applied to Scots people living in England, not just Scots in Scotland. If you have a Scottish ancestor living in England, then they quite often still used the naming pattern.
My ancestor John Stewart died in 1815 aged 80 (or thereabouts), and he had his last 3 children John, William and Mary in 1798, 1800 and 1803, and because of Durham PRs being quite detailed from 1798 to 1813, they all state that he was a native of Selkirk in Scotland.
His first children in 1790, 1793 and 1795 were called James, Isabella and another Isabella after the first one died. He had a son James in 1777 by his previous wife as he must have died. His 1st wife is as yet unidentified as before 1798 only the fathers name was given in many Durham parishes.
I knew that John was born c1735 in Selkirk or Selkirkshire. I then consulted Selkirk parish records on the IGI and found a John Stewart born in 1738 the son of James and Isabella Stewart.
I think that because of the naming pattern, the John Stewart born in 1738 is my ancestor if his first two children were named after his parents. Also, Selkirkshire is a remotely populated Scottish county, mainly of sheep fields. Most Stewarts came from the Highlands so maybe the Stewarts originated there originally pre 1730ish before moving to Selkirk.
Ben
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Researching:
LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET/SOMERSET Coombs, pre 1780s.
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Palding
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham.
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe.
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster.
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk 1700s.
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift.
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain.
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Darlingtonian
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Gosh Ben..... it's hard work isn't it?
The same seems to apply in Durham and Westmorland .... although they sometimes don't stick to the rules.
Some of my Fothergills have gone for grandparents before parents.
I sometimes think it's a bit 'hit and miss' once you go back too far.
I'm starting to concentrate more on the lifeslyle.
I could go on forever researching......I think it's time for me to get it together. I'm putting my 32 families in a book .......with the odd 'other' family that I can find....... and trying to give researching a rest .... for a while.
Here's hoping
Jean
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Lidster, Mellanby, Milburn, Laidler, Peart, Thornton, Catterson, How, Ingleby, Ramage, Sedgewick, Collinson....... Co.Durham
Ingleby....Derbyshire
Ellwood, Rigg, Gibson, Park, Fothergill.....Westmorland
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Kate Annie
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Have been researching husband's Smith family but decided to pop back to Archibald and Smithson. I'm descended from Isabella Ramage ( daughter of Henry and Elizabeth Sedgewick) Isabella married William Moore and one of their children was Anne Moore. She married Thomas O'Neill and had my grandmother Catherine Anne ( the real Kate Annie).Would love to make contact with any other Ramages, Moores , O'Neills that I haven't already communicated with.
Kate Annie
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Murphy, Boycott,O'Neill,Moore -Durham/ Shropshire/Ireland/Scotland.
Phillips,Parry-Shropshire/Denbighshire.
Ramage,Sedgewick-Durham/Yorkshire.
O'Rourke,Brannon,Kilbride- Ireland
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Darlingtonian
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Hi Kate ,
I come down from Henry and Elizabeth's daughter ... Annie Ramage, Isabella's sister.
We may have spoken before ... I can't remember.
Have you spoken to Cathy Murphy? .... I think she descends from Isabella as well.
Jean
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Lidster, Mellanby, Milburn, Laidler, Peart, Thornton, Catterson, How, Ingleby, Ramage, Sedgewick, Collinson....... Co.Durham
Ingleby....Derbyshire
Ellwood, Rigg, Gibson, Park, Fothergill.....Westmorland
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Darlingtonian
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Hi there........lol
How ya doin.......when I saw 'Kate' I had a feeling it just maybe you
It's funny .... everytime we try to find other rellies ...we just end up talking to each other. There must be others but maybe the rest of the families aren't into genealogy.
Nothing much has changed this end ..... Hope Bernie and hubby are OK?
Jean
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Lidster, Mellanby, Milburn, Laidler, Peart, Thornton, Catterson, How, Ingleby, Ramage, Sedgewick, Collinson....... Co.Durham
Ingleby....Derbyshire
Ellwood, Rigg, Gibson, Park, Fothergill.....Westmorland
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suberra
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Just come across these messages today.
I've been trying to prove that my ancestor Elizabeth Rammage,baptized 24 Jan 1813, daughter of Henry Rammage, labourer by his wife Isabella is the youngest child of Henry Ramage and Isabella Airey's family. I did notice on her marriage record to Christopher Carr in 1830 that one of the witnesses was Thomas Maving. Smithson Mary Rammage married Thomas Maven 26 May 1818, so I'm fairly confident that she is from the same family. Spelling errors were the norm in those days.
I too have not been able to find anything on Archibald other than than the records from Durham records online. It is now my mission to keep at it, having found this number of interested ancestral family members!
Has anyone got any further info on Smithson Mary Ramage? I think she may have called herself just Mary, unfortunately for census purposes.
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Carr, Dowson, Ramage,Airey. Peverell
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Darlingtonian
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Welcome Suberra, I seem to have the same Mary Rammage as Moira, marrying William Graydon and haven't come across a Smithson Mary Rammage ..... but she sounds interesting with the 'Smithson' name.
I haven't done a great deal in trying to follow Mary as I come down from Henry and Isabella's son Henry who married Elizabeth Sedgewick (another difficult woman to trace).
Like Moira, I wish you all the luck with your research and hope you wont forget us if you find anything interesting on Archibald ....... or if I can help you in any way.
Jean
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Lidster, Mellanby, Milburn, Laidler, Peart, Thornton, Catterson, How, Ingleby, Ramage, Sedgewick, Collinson....... Co.Durham
Ingleby....Derbyshire
Ellwood, Rigg, Gibson, Park, Fothergill.....Westmorland
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Barney2
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Hi,
It appears you have all been busy with the Ramage & Peverell line. I have been offline for the last few years but am now getting back into the groove.
I can confirm that the witnesses at Archibald & Smithsons wedding were Henry Peverell & Joseph Tiffin. The bride & groom were both previously unmarried.
Rergards
Barney
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