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Re: Archibald Ramage & Smithson Peverall
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 15 January 09 21:09 UTC (UK) »

Trying to do this properly I had ordered the death certificate for Henry Rammage who died in 1837 at Chester Le Street. It came today and is not terribly readable so I'll not scan it on here.
It states he died at Chester Le Street on December 11th 1837, his name was spelled Henry Rammage, male, 68 years old died of old age ( gasp) Informant was John Allison Governor of the Workhouse, Chester Le Street, registered on December 13th. Henry's occupation is the box I can't read. It appears to say Husband and then another incomplete word. even with a magnifier not good. Husband wasn't ever an actual occupation and if one was in the workhouse I doubt if an occupation was relevant.
Anyway wanted to share stuff that I come across. Thanks for replying, if we all work backwards maybe we  can define it all. I'll be looking at the Chester Le Street parish films when they come in ( about three weeks or so). Stay posted.
Hi Moira yes it's me again!
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Re: Archibald Ramage & Smithson Peverall
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 15 January 09 21:16 UTC (UK) »

Hi

Could it have been Husbandman?

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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET/SOMERSET Coombs, pre 1780s.
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Palding
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham.
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe.
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster.
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk 1700s.
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift.
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain.
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Re: Archibald Ramage & Smithson Peverall
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 15 January 09 22:17 UTC (UK) »

Welcome back Barney and thanks for that bit of information .... I don't suppose you know which church in Chester le Street?

That's great Moira, thankyou .... as Ben said....it might be husbandman .....
I think they still put the occupation of people when they were in the workhouse. 
Everytime I go to durham Record Office, I have a list as long as my arm, I always seem to go off on a 'branch' and never have time to find them all.

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Re: Archibald Ramage & Smithson Peverall
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 15 January 09 22:41 UTC (UK) »

I was just think Barney ..... the witnesses you have makes my baptism in Gainford for Smithson a little more plausible as her parents were Henry and Mary Peverall. 

I know people seem to be sticking with Wakefield but as I said in an earlier post, her family may have moved to Wakefield after she was born.

Jean

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Re: Archibald Ramage & Smithson Peverall
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 15 January 09 22:49 UTC (UK) »

Hi

Checking the workhouse records to see if they survive would be a good step. They can give some good info such as age, occupation, reason for admission and discharged or dead. It can give a religion. Reasons for this was because if they died, the ministers of the workhouse could decide on an appropriate burial like a Catholic or Anglican burial.

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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET/SOMERSET Coombs, pre 1780s.
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Palding
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham.
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe.
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster.
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk 1700s.
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift.
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain.
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Re: Archibald Ramage & Smithson Peverall
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 15 January 09 23:47 UTC (UK) »

Here's the certificate, I did think about husbandman. It may say former on the second line?

Moderator comment: image removed - only small portions of certificates may be posted to assist with handwriting.

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Re: Archibald Ramage & Smithson Peverall
« Reply #36 on: Friday 16 January 09 00:02 UTC (UK) »

Henry Rammage was buried at the anglican church of St Mary and St Cuthbert on 14 December 1837 ( per DRO)
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Re: Archibald Ramage & Smithson Peverall
« Reply #37 on: Friday 16 January 09 00:12 UTC (UK) »

Hi

It is definately Husband Man.

Ben
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET/SOMERSET Coombs, pre 1780s.
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Palding
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham.
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe.
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster.
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk 1700s.
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift.
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain.
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Re: Archibald Ramage & Smithson Peverall
« Reply #38 on: Friday 16 January 09 19:57 UTC (UK) »

Hi again Ben, yes it is definitely Husband-man. There just appears to be a blemish on the page which makes it look like another part of the word!
Suberra, you are very generous sharing your certificates with us all.Thank you.
Barney, thanks for clarifying that neither Archibald nor Smithson had been married before.
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Re: Archibald Ramage & Smithson Peverall
« Reply #39 on: Friday 16 January 09 20:11 UTC (UK) »

Hi

Glad to have helped with the occupation. We need to find out when Archie Ramage was born now.

Ben
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET/SOMERSET Coombs, pre 1780s.
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Palding
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham.
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe.
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster.
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk 1700s.
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift.
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain.
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Re: Archibald Ramage & Smithson Peverall
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 20 January 09 19:56 UTC (UK) »

I have just received the marriage bond index from DRO and in 1757 Archibald Ramage age 39 and a widower obtained a licence to marry Smithson Peverell age 32.
That puts his birth date at about 1717 -1718 and hers 1724-1725.
We now know there was a first wife.............
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Re: Archibald Ramage & Smithson Peverall
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 20 January 09 20:00 UTC (UK) »

HI

I think the 1741 Archibald Ramage marriage in Leeds to Ann Bent is the right one. We now need to search for a 1718 birth. It could well be in Scotland.

Some research says that Smithson Peverell was born in Gainford in 1725 and had a sister Eleanor. I cannot remember what site this info was off though.

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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET/SOMERSET Coombs, pre 1780s.
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Palding
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham.
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe.
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster.
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk 1700s.
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift.
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain.
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Re: Archibald Ramage & Smithson Peverall
« Reply #42 on: Tuesday 20 January 09 21:16 UTC (UK) »

Barney ...... I was just looking at Suberra's post saying Archie was previously married.  Did you make a mistake in your post, saying 'the bride and groom were both previously unmarried'?

I just trying to find where I got my information on smithson.... I have her baptised 29th Nov 1725 in Gainford, Co Durham.... daughter of Henry and Mary Peverall.  Siblings were Elianor Peverall baptised 17th August 1727 (she married Joseph Carter in Chester le Street on 8th July 1756.  I also found a brother John baptised 26th Dec 1716 - died 30th May 1717.

I think I have a copy of the images somewhere from FamilySearch. (must get my filing up to date)   Huh

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Ingleby....Derbyshire
Ellwood, Rigg, Gibson, Park, Fothergill.....Westmorland
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Re: Archibald Ramage & Smithson Peverall
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 21 January 09 01:08 UTC (UK) »

So Archibald was a widower when he married Smithson in 1757!
The IGI on familysearch has the following children for Archie, the only mention of Smithson is as Henry's mother -
Elizabeth Ramage b.1758 baptised St Peters Leeds
John        Ramage b.1760 baptised Chester le Street
Robert    Ramage  b. 1761 baptised St Peters Leeds
Mary        Ramage b. 1764 baptised St Peters Leeds
Henry      Ramage b. 1768 baptised Chester le Street

Births for Archibald Ramage(or Rammage) are-
1712 in Eastwood Renfrewshire to William Rammage & Elizabeth Jack

1714 in Duddingston Midlothian to James Rammage & Margaret Turrence

I still do not believe either of these are our Archibald - why did he not have sons named James or William after his father?
Regarding the marriage to Anne Benton in 1741, I have searched for a birth of Anne but the only one I turned up was born in June 1720, baptised in July -at St Peters Leeds- , and died in August.
Like Darlingtonian I'm annoyed with myself for misplacing the written source for Archie being a tobacconist from Wakefield. I'm sure he'd be delighted to know how interested we all are in him!
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Re: Archibald Ramage & Smithson Peverall
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 21 January 09 20:25 UTC (UK) »

Oh .... I have that one Empty ..... it's Smithson's baptism I can't find.


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