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Topic: Thomas TURNBULL - Merchant of Hawick, Roxburghshire, Scotland. (Read 5027 times)
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ggrocott
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Have you tried any census checks to confirm Thomas' date and place of birth? I am tracing Turnbulls in London and have found the name is frequently badly mispelt - so far Charles Thacker Turnbull has turned up under the alias of Charles L Turnouer and Charles Trumble and Trundle! Good luck.
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukTagg, Bowyer (Berkshire/Surrey), Adams, Small, Pratt, Coles, Stevens, Cox (Bucks), Grocott, Slater, Dean, Hill (Staffs/Shropshire), Holloway, Flint, Warrington,Turnbull (London), Montague, Barrett (Herts), Hayward (Kent), Gallon, Knight, Ede, Tribe, Bunn, Northeast, Nicholds (Sussex) Penduck, Pinnell, Yeeles (Gloucs), Johns (Monmouth and Devon), Head (Bath), Tedbury, Bowyer (Somerset), Chapman, Barrett (Herts/Essex) |
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ajjbc
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Hi there...have you tried reading the OPR films that the LDS family history centers either have or can order in for you,that would cover your dates in question?
This is one of the most reliable ways for correct research that I have found.
I will look through what I have on M.I.s and see if anything rings a bell.
Were the Elliot and Murray persons married ,if so what were their given names and aprox dates?
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IRELAND: Algeo,Armstrong,Brick, ,Hendren/Hendron,
Hopkins,Ramage, Weatherup.
SCOTLAND: Armstrong,Blair,Bruce,Brunton,Clarke/Clerk,
Dickson,Dobson,Dryden,Eaton,Gillie/Gillies Haliburton, Hogg,Huggan,Kersel,Miller,Notman,
Peacock, Prentice,Redpath,Richardson, Scobbie, Spiers/Speirs,Spottiswood,Tinline, Turnbull,Waddel, Waldie ,Waugh.
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Jeanette H
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Hello ajjbc,
Thank you for your interest in my 'TURNBULLs' etc.
The TURNBULL / VEITCH information I have is from the websites 'FamilySearch', 'Scotland's People', and various other sources.
The children of Thomas TURNBULL & Jane (Jean) VEITCH (b 1791), were Jane (b1815), Elizabeth (b1816), George (b1818), Jane Elliot (b1820).
Re: ELLIOT / MURRAY
Were the Elliot and Murray persons married ,if so what were their given names and aprox dates?
As far as we know, the ELLIOT & MURRAY families were not connected directly by marriage, only indirectly as you will see by the following names.
The parents of Jean VEITCH, were John VEITCH (Spittal Mill) & Jean ELLIOT (Knowsouth), (marr. 1790)
Parents of Thomas TURNBULL, were George TURNBULL & Elizabeth (Betty) WILSON, (marr. 17--?)
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The parents of John VEITCH, were James VEITCH & Elizabeth (Betty) MURRAY (marr. 1756).
The parents of Jean ELLIOT ? [father was possibly either a William ELLIOT (Bedrule), or Robert ELLIOT (Southdean), as the birthdates for Jean appear relevant] [mother Not Known].
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The father of James VEITCH, was John VEITCH, mother Not Known.
The parents of Elizabeth (Betty) MURRAY, were John Murray & Jane HENDERSON (marr. 1734).
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Any assistance much appreciated.
Thanking you,
Jeanette H.
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« Last Edit: Tuesday 26 June 07 10:30 UTC (UK) by Jeanette H »
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Research Names & Areas:
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Ayrshire, Scotland: BROWN / BAIRD / BURNS(BURNESS) / HUTCHISON / COWAN / REID / WYL(L)IE
Roxburghshire, Scotland: TURNBULL / VEITCH / ELLIOT / MURRAY
Aberdeenshire, Scotland: WATT / MITCHELL
England: TOPPING / MEDLEY
Ireland: MORROW
Australia: BROWN / BAIRD / TURNBULL / WATT / TOPPING / MORROW / MEDLEY / TACKI
Germany: ECKHARDT / HUBNER / TACKI
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ajjbc
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going over your problem...off the top of my head ...#!I would suggest that you read the 1841 census of Hawick,if you think they were there...there is a VERY good chance you will find them.The parents could well be alive and most of the children still at home.
..#2..read the OPR's for that time frame...from Hawick and if they are not there expand outwards to try other parishes.,Wilton would be my next choice as it is across the river.
From years of experience I now know that:
what is on the IGI you need to be carefull of...if it is an extraction,ok.If it is submitted,be careful and check the original sources (OPRS) and census where possible.
I will keep my eyes open...and also recheck the M.I. and see if there is any bells that ring.
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IRELAND: Algeo,Armstrong,Brick, ,Hendren/Hendron,
Hopkins,Ramage, Weatherup.
SCOTLAND: Armstrong,Blair,Bruce,Brunton,Clarke/Clerk,
Dickson,Dobson,Dryden,Eaton,Gillie/Gillies Haliburton, Hogg,Huggan,Kersel,Miller,Notman,
Peacock, Prentice,Redpath,Richardson, Scobbie, Spiers/Speirs,Spottiswood,Tinline, Turnbull,Waddel, Waldie ,Waugh.
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ajjbc
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Hi there,went through the material I had and found no combinations of the posted names...sorry
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IRELAND: Algeo,Armstrong,Brick, ,Hendren/Hendron,
Hopkins,Ramage, Weatherup.
SCOTLAND: Armstrong,Blair,Bruce,Brunton,Clarke/Clerk,
Dickson,Dobson,Dryden,Eaton,Gillie/Gillies Haliburton, Hogg,Huggan,Kersel,Miller,Notman,
Peacock, Prentice,Redpath,Richardson, Scobbie, Spiers/Speirs,Spottiswood,Tinline, Turnbull,Waddel, Waldie ,Waugh.
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Dogcatcher
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I can't match any of the first names you mention though I do have the same surnames >>TURNBULL / VEITCH / ELLIOT / MURRAY<< in the same area. Have a look at www.sewellgenealogy.com and see if anything rings a BELL - That's a family I need more on <g>
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verbena
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I'm tracing the Park family from Denholm, Roxburghshire (Hawick is not far from Denholm). I have a James Park (B 1813 in Morebattle, Rox) who married Margaret Turnbull - they had 3 children Thomas (B 17/7/1845), James (B 13/2/1850) and Mary (B 30/4/1852). Any information on Margaret Turnbull would be appreciated. 
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Park Family from Roxburghshire, Scotland,
Titterington Family from Moira, Co Down, Northern Ireland
Butler & Phillips Families from Newton-Abbot, Devon, England
Logan Family from Glasgow, Scotland
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Jeanette
You may have seen this already given it has been some time since your original posting. There is an IGI entry (actual extract) for a Thomas Turnbull born on 28 Aug 1788 in Hawick to parents George (the name of Thomas's first son) and Betty Wilson (Elizabeth is the name of Thomas's second daughter) which might be worth considering. This couple also had a further 11 children all in Hawick.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Jeanette H
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Hello to all RootsChat Members,
'Happy New Year' to everyone. May we all have endless results and success in researching our Family Histories.
First of all I must thank everyone who has replied to my post, time has just got away from me over the past few months, but hopefully I can get back into my research.
Thank you for your suggestions and if I come across anything that may be of assistance to others I will certainly pass it on.
Hello to Monica, thank you for your reply.
There is an IGI entry (actual extract) for a Thomas Turnbull born on 28 Aug 1788 in Hawick to parents George (the name of Thomas's first son) and Betty Wilson (Elizabeth is the name of Thomas's second daughter) which might be worth considering. This couple also had a further 11 children all in Hawick.
Monica
Just thought I would let you know that I have been considering for quite awhile, the possibility that this could be the 'Thomas' I am looking for, the time frame seems about right, and yes the names are very similar.
At the link below, I have also previously posted a topic entitled:
Is This'TURNBULL' Family On Your Family Tree? With the hope of making contact with any possible descendants
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,68197.0.html
As a point of interest, in mid-June 2005 while searching the Wills & Testaments on the website 'Scotlands People', I came across 2 listings for
[1] TURNBULL, Jean (Mrs) 24/02/1848
alias Veitch / Widow of Thomas Turnbull / Residing at Lanton. (Type ?) Jedburgh Sheriff Office. SC62/44/15
[2] TURNBULL, Jean (Mrs) 02/03/1848
alias Veitch / Residing at Lanton / Widow of Thomas Turnbull Merchant at Hawick.
Testament Dative, Jedburgh Sheriff Court. SC62/44/14
So we now know that 'Thomas' had died prior to 1848.
I have yet to access these Wills/Testaments, as we are currently trying to work out the best way for us in sending payment over the Internet.
Once again thank you everyone.
Its time I signed off, as it is nearly 1.00am here in Australia, and still quite warm. Currently we are having extremely hot days. I do not think it will cool down very much overnight.
We are currently watching a Daniel O'Donnell video, performing live in concert in Dundee, Scotland. The music is thoroughly enjoyable. A fantastic and energetic performer.
Jeanette H.
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One-Half Of 'Dancing-Duo' Waltzing Through Time & Space.
Researching To Find Lots Of Things Not To Do.
Research Names & Areas:
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Ayrshire, Scotland: BROWN / BAIRD / BURNS(BURNESS) / HUTCHISON / COWAN / REID / WYL(L)IE
Roxburghshire, Scotland: TURNBULL / VEITCH / ELLIOT / MURRAY
Aberdeenshire, Scotland: WATT / MITCHELL
England: TOPPING / MEDLEY
Ireland: MORROW
Australia: BROWN / BAIRD / TURNBULL / WATT / TOPPING / MORROW / MEDLEY / TACKI
Germany: ECKHARDT / HUBNER / TACKI
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Clare Fowler
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Hi there,
I just read your post today about searching for the death of Thomas Turnbull of Hawick. I checked in James Wilson's unofficial register of deaths for any mention of him (this was a list kept by a Hawick solicitor during his lifetime) and there is an entry for Thomas Turnbull, merchant, died 29 Nov 1828. He might well be yours...
Here is the link to the list anyway http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ROX/Hawick/wilson.html
cheers,
Clare
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ELLIOT, CROZIER, HAY, AITCHISON, COWAN - Roxburghshire
BETT - Kinross-shire, Fife and Glasgow
CHAMBERS, BRUFF, WESTMACOTT - Glasgow
And many, many more...
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Clare Fowler
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Hi Jeanette,
The problem you will have, if this is indeed your Thomas Turnbull, is that you won't find a death cert for him, as statutory registration was not introduced until 1855. Before this, all information was recorded in the parish registers. I'm not sure what the Hawick OPRs are like for death records, but other ones I have looked at don't have many, so you may well be better off looking for a monumental inscription in the local cemeteries.
Hope this helps,
Cheers,
Clare
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ELLIOT, CROZIER, HAY, AITCHISON, COWAN - Roxburghshire
BETT - Kinross-shire, Fife and Glasgow
CHAMBERS, BRUFF, WESTMACOTT - Glasgow
And many, many more...
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