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Topic: free birth certs of margaret jack b1880 - 1890 (Read 1037 times)
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maclennan25
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if anyone is interested....
there were 12 margaret jacks born in whole of ross & cromarty between 1880 & 1890. i had purchased them all (on scotlandspeople website) while searching for my ggrandmother (and still havent found her!) 
they are all in Avoch, and if anyone wants a copy of any, let me know and i can send you an email.
there was also only one born in Inverness during same years and i have a copy as well.
if anyone is able to shed some light on where i might find my ggrandmother's birth cert, i would be very greatful.
here is the info i have....
marriage cert 1907: margaret jack 23yrs, father william jack, ploughman & mother helen cameron.
death cert 1927: margaret jack 42yrs, father alex. jack, vanman & mother helen cameron.
kind regards,
Lorna.
p.s both marriage & death certs i have are urray parish, ross & cromarty.
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kenjo
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Hi maclennan25,
You poor thing! 
I was wondering,?
When did Margarets parents marry?
It is just, possible that Margaret is illegitimate.
I have a little look around.
kenjo
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maclennan25
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hi thanks for the reply.
i have tried looking for margaret cameron on scotlandspeople and found a possible match born in 1886.
margaret jack cameron (illegitimate) born to ellen cameron in knockbain.
but on finding them again in 1891 census, ellen is remarried to a william mcstephen.
i have talked this possibility over with my father and although we agree that it is a possible match, we are not completely certain. - when margaret married my ggrandfather her surname was definitely jack, not cameron. also her mother is listed as helen jack m.s cameron, so it would appear that she was married to margarets father. - i can not find this marriage, but it appears that the helen/ellen that married william mcstephen had never been married before.
any further comments or suggestions always welcome.
kind regards,
Lorna.
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kenjo
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Hi,
I had a look at the marriages as well,
and found none suitable.
I do feel that, what you have just posted . is your answer.
Margaret probably was illegitimate. but her father was the known father, and may have taken responsibility.
But the parents, never married.
Margaret always knew who her father was, so when it was her choice, she said she was a Jack.
It happens ofter.
[An expert, I am sure will correct me.]
In Scotland there are about 4 ways of marriage.
one is--------s/relations, were allowed, with the promise of marriage, that is why, if the man backs out, it is quite serious,
in the eyes of the church, but the girl, must be open about the pregnancy.
On the birth certificate, did it have writting in the far lefthand side?
If so, this can be researched, and it will say who the father is.
But I feel this will be the Margaret your looking for.
kenjo
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maclennan25
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thanks for trying to help - it is much appreciated.
i will attempt to attach a copy of the cert for you to look at, as i am not 100% on the writing you refer to  .
thanks again.
kind regards,
Lorna.
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maclennan25
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it appears to be rather bigger than i thought it would be....
sorry!
Lorna.
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I just read the certificate, and sadly the writing is not there.
But I do feel this is your girl.
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Sani
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McLennan 25 Hi, I've got Lewis Jack marr Janet McLeman 16 Dec 1826 Avoch, Scotland their children are Alexander 7.11.1828, Jane 31.07.1831, Janet ( Jessie ) my ggrandmother 3.10.1833, William 23.12.1838, Anne 11.07.1842, Lewis 8. 5.1845, Margaret 28.04.1849, Helen 5.08.1852 all were born in Avoch. Do any of these names mean anything to you Val
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maclennan25
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hi Val,
i dont have any of them in my tree, but i had a check of the 1881 census for you.
this might be Lewis (jr) but the age is a little out...
Dwelling: 20 High St
Census Place: Avoch, Ross & Cromarty, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203407 GRO Ref Volume 059-A EnumDist 1 Page 4
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Lewis JACK M 41 M Avoch, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Fisherman
Jane JACK M 40 F Avoch, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Occ: Fisher Wife
Flora JACK U 16 F Avoch, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Gen Domestic Serv
Isabella JACK 14 F Avoch, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Gen Domestic Serv
Donald JACK 11 M Avoch, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Johana JACK 7 F Avoch, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Cattherine JACK 5 F Avoch, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
LEWIS JACK
Spouse: JANE RALPH
Marriage: 02 OCT 1863 Avoch, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
FLORA JACK
Female
Birth: 25 SEP 1864 Avoch, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
Father: LEWIS JACK
Mother: JANE RALPH
ISABELLA JACK
Female
Birth: 31 JAN 1867 Avoch, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
Father: LEWIS JACK
Mother: JANE RALPH
DONALD JACK
Male
Birth: 10 JUL 1869 Avoch, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
Father: LEWIS JACK
Mother: JANE RALPH
JOHN JACK
Male
Birth: 17 SEP 1873 Avoch, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
Father: LEWIS JACK
Mother: JANE RALPH
i hope this is some of the family you are looking for.
kind regards,
Lorna.
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Sani
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Hi Lorna I think that Lewis Jr is my ggrandmother's brother I don't have much on their father's family but a fair bit on the McLeman's family so thanks a lot for the information.
If you have any Victoria Australia research you want done please don't hesitate to get in touch
Val
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maclennan25
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hi there,
i did a couple of free searches on scotlandspeople and here is what i found...
(i did not view actual certs, so can't be certain that these are definitely the family that you are looking for).
there are 2 lewis jack deaths in avoch btwn 1855 & 1881 - i couldnt find lewis sr on census, so only assuming it was before 1881).
1. 1874 aged 72yrs - this is a good possible.
2. 1879 aged 0yrs - obviously this isnt the correct one.
then possible death dates for lewis jr. - 4 matches in avoch btwn 1881 and 1954.
(assuming they stayed in avoch).
1. 1902 < 30 though, so not him as listed as 41 on 1881 census.
2. 1906 < 30 so above also applies.
3. 1908 aged 68. this puts him born c 1840, so possible match, as age matches up with 1881 census age.
4. 1946 aged 95. this puts him born c 1851, still possible match, but the age difference nearly 10 years out.
there is one jane ralph death in Avoch in 1907 aged 66
then substitute ralph for jack, there is also one match for same year and age.
i hope this helps a little.
kind regards,
Lorna.
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Sani
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Lorna Thanks so much for all the work you've done for me.
Lewis sr would have been born before 1800 I think as his wife was born 1798 Janet McLeman dau of Alexander and Janet Reid. You are not related to these McLeman's are you
Val
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