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geniedi
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« on: Thursday 19 May 05 21:52 BST (UK) »
Can anybody tell me what the earliest directory was i.e Pigots etc., for Beds.

I have 1823. Need to check back round about 1810 and slightly earlier.

Diane Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: Thursday 02 June 05 12:36 BST (UK) »
I think you may have the earliest there.. there are earlier one's in other parts of the country [1780s etc].  I think that is the earliest they have in Bedford archives but you could e mail them and ask?

Check out the directories on line @

http://www. historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp
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Bedfordshire: Worker [Flitton]; Ames [Kempston]; Manton [Kempston]; Morris [?]; Valentine [Kempston]; Two & Osborn [Cranfield]

Herfordshire and West London: Brown [Kent in early 19th C]; Blackwell.
McCarthy [Clonakilty, County Cork - searching for needles in the haystack!] and LOSTY [Dublin]
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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 02 June 05 13:35 BST (UK) »
Hi

Thanks for the reply. Think you may be right, haven't been able to find anything. Huh

I'm trying to locate a business mentioned in an 1810 will.

The search continues......
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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 02 June 05 13:45 BST (UK) »
Try the Beds Archives search site [there is about a quarter of its holdings listed so far].

http://blars.adlibsoft.com/form.html

May be worth e mailing them too?  They are happy to help direct you on general points but make a charge for in depth research.

cathy
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Bedfordshire: Worker [Flitton]; Ames [Kempston]; Manton [Kempston]; Morris [?]; Valentine [Kempston]; Two & Osborn [Cranfield]

Herfordshire and West London: Brown [Kent in early 19th C]; Blackwell.
McCarthy [Clonakilty, County Cork - searching for needles in the haystack!] and LOSTY [Dublin]
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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 02 June 05 14:21 BST (UK) »
Diane

I forgot to say, please try the National Archives too...go to 'search our archives' and select  'PROCAT'...  Although, there may be something on A2A too?  I only use PROCAT to look up old Military history but there is a lot of other stuff there too and companies & businesses etc.

If the business was fairly big, it seems likely there may be comething at Kew?  Anyway, have a look as sometimes these sites turn up a real gem  Wink


http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.asp


cathy
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Bedfordshire: Worker [Flitton]; Ames [Kempston]; Manton [Kempston]; Morris [?]; Valentine [Kempston]; Two & Osborn [Cranfield]

Herfordshire and West London: Brown [Kent in early 19th C]; Blackwell.
McCarthy [Clonakilty, County Cork - searching for needles in the haystack!] and LOSTY [Dublin]
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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 02 June 05 15:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Cathy,

Thanks Smiley

I have used these sites before and you are right they are brilliant. Beds has to have one of the best online resources.

The business I'm after is a mill so I have no idea how big/small it was.

Think I shall have to try and find it on 1841 census and work back from there.

I can spend hours on the Blars site. Only unfortunate thing the family name is Green Smiley

Have to say with help from several people on this site I am finally getting somewhere with this family.

Thanks again

Diane
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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 02 June 05 16:25 BST (UK) »
Diane,

The business was a Mill? 

All Mills were listed on the 1803 National Defence Muster [the government wanted to know who was milling flour/baking bread/ ready to defend should France invade us ...they even listed how many horses and carts/waggons people had]...

...the trouble is not all 1803 Muster lists survived but those in North Bedfordshire did [Barford/Stodden/Willey hundreds] .  If it was in that area there may be a record of it.  Let me know as I have a book with the lists in and can give you details.

cathy

Ps all men between 17 & 55 are listed in 1803 but only in those areas - the other lists seem to be lost now for ever  Embarrassed
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Bedfordshire: Worker [Flitton]; Ames [Kempston]; Manton [Kempston]; Morris [?]; Valentine [Kempston]; Two & Osborn [Cranfield]

Herfordshire and West London: Brown [Kent in early 19th C]; Blackwell.
McCarthy [Clonakilty, County Cork - searching for needles in the haystack!] and LOSTY [Dublin]
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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 02 June 05 17:40 BST (UK) »
Hi Cathy,

Crickey how wonderful.

Don't know whether this one is in that area though??

Stanford Mill??

John Green the owner prior to his death in 1810 lived in Shefford.

Thanks Cathy.

Diane Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 02 June 05 23:05 BST (UK) »
Diane

No it isnt  Embarrassed .   That is what I'd call mid-Bedfordshire although it is to the east almost Hertfordshire [still south of Bedford]. http://uk.multimap.com/


However, have you checked out whether there were earlier Wills for that family? The archivist would let you know if you e mail her.  Dont give up hope...as I expect you will find out who originally purchased the Mill & while your e mailing ask if there is anything on the Mill's history too?

You may like to join Bedfordshire rootsweb mailing list as there are a few historians on there who are helpful.
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Bedfordshire: Worker [Flitton]; Ames [Kempston]; Manton [Kempston]; Morris [?]; Valentine [Kempston]; Two & Osborn [Cranfield]

Herfordshire and West London: Brown [Kent in early 19th C]; Blackwell.
McCarthy [Clonakilty, County Cork - searching for needles in the haystack!] and LOSTY [Dublin]
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« Reply #9 on: Thursday 02 June 05 23:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Cathy

Thanks for looking for me.

I do belong to the Beds list and have been putting a few enquiries on over the past few weeks, namely trying to pin down my William Green, John's grandson, in 1851.


At that point he was around 16 and I am fairly certain orphaned. Two of his siblings were living with his mothers relations on poor relief.

In 1861 he was married in London, a master baker. Which is leading me to believe he may have been in the family business in '51.


I'm chipping away at that brickwall, very slowly but it's definately going.

The archivist has helped me before and I recently bought the Shefford records.

If I e mail and ask them to give me dates of any earlier wills etc., would they charge me do you think.

Thanks so much for the time you have given this

Diane Smiley
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