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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #60 on: Thursday 09 February 06 16:12 GMT (UK) »



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ps With 59 replies his thread is now the longest on the Angus board.  The next longest has just 13.  I know you love these statistics!

And your point is ...............  Huh Huh
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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #61 on: Saturday 11 February 06 22:35 GMT (UK) »



Al!

Would this be any good to you? I'm not sure what's available - I assume the same information that's on other Archive sites !!

http://www.archivesdefrance.culture.gouv.fr/

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"Our fathers did not talk about psychology - they talked about a knowledge of Human Nature. But they had it, and we have not. They knew by instinct all that we have ignored by the help of information." Chesterton
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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #62 on: Monday 13 February 06 22:01 GMT (UK) »

Merci Annie!

A bientôt,

Al
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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #63 on: Monday 13 February 06 22:50 GMT (UK) »




de nada !! .......  Roll Eyes

By the way - did you notice someboby's looking for the Nicol family  Huh

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,100974.0.html

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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #64 on: Monday 13 February 06 23:15 GMT (UK) »

By the way - did you notice someboby's looking for the Nicol family Huh
Annie Smiley

Yes I did!  Although I can't yet work out where Alexander got the middle name Nichol from.  I thought his Grandparents might have been John CRIGHTON & Jean NICHOL from an IGI entry but the death record for Alexander's father John CRIGHTON from SP has:

"Husband of Isabella SINCLAIR, Parents: John CRIGHTON & Margaret STEEL"

Isabella SINCLAIR was definitely Alexander's mother and the John CRICHTON, son of John CRICHTON & Jean NICHOL was born the same year as Alexander's father John (Son of John CRIGHTON & Margaret STEEL).

All these IGI entries are extracted ones.

Confused?  So am I!

Cheers,

Al
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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #65 on: Tuesday 14 February 06 03:18 GMT (UK) »

Al,

Familysearch is down at present so I can't search just now.

Could it be that the entry on the death cert is incorrect?  It does happen  Wink

Perhaps John (father of John and grandfather of Alexander) might have had John with Jean NICHOL, then Jean died and John snr married Margaret STEEL.  If this were the case, the informant might not have known that there had been a previous wife??

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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #66 on: Tuesday 14 February 06 14:09 GMT (UK) »

Hi JAP,

Funnily enough the possibility of a second marriage occurred to me as I was replying to Annie's post yesterday and like you, I found that Familysearch was down and still it appears to be.  According to the death certificate, Alexander reported the death of his father John and it is entirely possible that he didn't know who his grandmother was.  The only thing against this hypothesis is that the IGI has 2 extracted records for births of John CRIGHTON/CRICHTON in 1799 - one the son of Margaret STEEL & the other the son of Jean NICHOL. Huh

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Al
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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #67 on: Wednesday 15 February 06 04:40 GMT (UK) »

Sorry Al, had FamilySearch been up, I would have seen the two entries.  So it's clearly just a coincidence.

Alexander's middle name of Nicoll might have come from a more distant relative, or a friend of his parents, or the minister, or ....

The parentage of Alexander's father, John CRICHTON as given on the death cert (i.e. mother Margaret STEEL) is right as is shown by John's birthplace of Airlie (on the 1851 census information provided by Dorothy earlier in this thread); John CRICHTON b 1798 with mother Jean NICOLL, was, on the other hand, bap Dundee according to the IGI.

John CRICHTON m Margaret STEEL, 14 Apr 1782, Airlie
They had, all extracted entries, all spelled CRICHTON, and all in Airlie:
Issabel, bap 17 Mar 1783
Elisabeth, bap 5 Apr 1784
Agnes, bap 2 May 1785
Margaret, bap 28 Jan 1787
William, bap 27 Jun 1797
John, bap 29 Jun 1799
George, bap 4 Dec 1800
(Another of those families with an unexplained gap - this time from 1787 to 1799).

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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #68 on: Wednesday 15 February 06 19:37 GMT (UK) »



Al!

Couldn't have been involved with these could he Huh
1792-1802 French Revolutionary Wars

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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #69 on: Wednesday 15 February 06 20:27 GMT (UK) »

Annie!

As far as I know, Alexander (b. 1824) was the first CRIGHTON to venture over to the other side of the Channel but nothing would surprise me with my ancestors! 

So your thinking is that Alexander's grandfather uprooted himself from Airlie to go and help Robspierre cut off a few heads and that's why he produced no issue between 1787 & 1797.

Any idea how I would find out?

Cheers,

Al  Smiley
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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #70 on: Thursday 16 February 06 05:52 GMT (UK) »



And now for something completely different ..........  Roll Eyes

http://tinyurl.com/djr22

and click ....  1: fiche(s)

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"Our fathers did not talk about psychology - they talked about a knowledge of Human Nature. But they had it, and we have not. They knew by instinct all that we have ignored by the help of information." Chesterton
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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #71 on: Thursday 16 February 06 15:21 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Annie!

This Maurice CRIGHTON could well be a decendent of Alexander's son James who appears to have married and stayed in France.

I know a little about French naturalisation from my time in France 10-15 years ago.  The children of an English mother and French father that I knew had to decide at the age of 18 whether they wanted British or French nationality since at that time the French authorities did not recognise dual nationality.

I might just stump up the 23€ they want for 54 units which means I'd have 53 left over.  Can I help you find any of your French ancestors with my spare 53 units?

Cheers,

Al
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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #72 on: Thursday 16 February 06 15:41 GMT (UK) »


Hi Al!!

I'm not sure about exchange rates these days .... is that a lot of money  Huh

I wonder what you would get - did it say? and I wonder if it would give more information ... sounds exciting to me - but then if he's not yours .........  Undecided
if it was me - I'd go for it - but as always -  I'm so good at wasting money ......  Wink

I have no idea right now what I need ( you know me - disorganised Annie !!!! ) - is there a time limit? plus you never know you might need them yourself to go forwards!!
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Be who you are and say what you feel -  because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind ! Dr. Seuss

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"Our fathers did not talk about psychology - they talked about a knowledge of Human Nature. But they had it, and we have not. They knew by instinct all that we have ignored by the help of information." Chesterton
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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #73 on: Thursday 16 February 06 16:18 GMT (UK) »

Hi Annie,

23€ is about US$28 or 15 quid.  The units are valid for 1 year and they charge 1 unit for each name in the document.  My guess is that un acte de naturalisation would have 3 or 4 names (the individual, parents and possibly the wife if naturalisation was being sought through marriage).  This means that 23€ would buy access to 10-15 documents, on a par with Scotlandspeople's costs and much cheaper than a priority certificate from the GRO (sorry Annie, couldn't resist slipping that one in Wink ).

Let me know when you get yourself organised with your French ancestors and I'll let you know when I have my units from Votre Nom dans L'Histoire.

Regards,

Al
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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #74 on: Thursday 16 February 06 16:27 GMT (UK) »





Sounds good to me Big Guy!!

Enjoy your search - how exciting  Wink Wink Wink

Annie  Smiley
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"Our fathers did not talk about psychology - they talked about a knowledge of Human Nature. But they had it, and we have not. They knew by instinct all that we have ignored by the help of information." Chesterton
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