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Topic: Advice needed on Marriage Certificate CAIRNS ARMSTRONG (Read 436 times)
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rhial
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Hi can anyone offer advice.
I am trying to find information on my G Grandma, maiden name Mary Ann ARMSTRONG. I know that she was born at Newbiggin by the Sea 1875 - 1880 and her Father John ARMSTRONG was a fisherman, the family lived at Prospect Place Newbiggin by the Sea. Her first marriage was to John CAIRNS who came from the North East Borders round Alnwick and worked on farms. John and Mary Ann had 3 children Hannah, Mary Jane (my Grandmother) and John Hunter. My father recently found a piece of paper written by my Mother (now deceased) giving the date of Mary Ann's death 1921 and the name of her second husband Joe MADDISON, until then I had assumed that she had been only married to John CAIRNS. From this I obtained a copy of her 2nd marriage certificate and death certificate. On the marriage certificate to Joe MADDISON (2nd marriage) she states her father as being John ARMSTRONG (deceased) Fisherman. Mary Ann was living with Joe at Marine Street Newbiggin by the Sea.
I had obtained a copy of the certificate of Mary Ann's first marriage to John Cairns, they married at Wooler 1901. Mary Ann lists her Father as John Armstrong Coal Miner. I'm not sure if it's my G Grandmother as when checking through 1837 online for possible dates of birth I noticed that there was another Mary Ann ARMSTRONG born at Wooler in the same year and quarter. The dates of birth given on Mary Ann's first and second marriage certificates match and tie in with her age on the death certificate. Can anyone give me any advice on how to check if the marriage certificate I have for Mary Ann ARMSTRONG and John CAIRNS is that of my G Grandparents? Any advice would be gratefully received, hope you can understand the convoluted way I have wrote this.
Best Wishes to all
Rhial
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Michael Dixon
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Rhial,
You say that your g. g/m Mary Ann Armstrong was born 1875-1880, but then later you say have found another M.A. Armstrong born in the same year and quarter.. what yr and quarter ?
On Census 1881, living in Prospect Place, Newbiggin, threre is John Armstrong, 24 yr old fisherman, with wife Hannah, 23, and daughter Mary, aged 1 yr, all Newbiggin-born.
(Incidentally Prospect Place was bursting with Armstrongs, William and Isabella, Ralph and Hannah, and William and Jane, and all their children...all fisherfolk and born in Newbiggin).
So your grannie was Mary Jane Cairns . And her parents Mary Ann Armstrong and John Cairns married in Wooler in late 1901. And Mary Ann would have been aged about 21 yrs.? What age was on her marriage cert ?
When Mary Ann married for the "second" time, did her marriage cert record classify her as "widow" and refer to her as Armstrong and Cairns ? and was her age at second marriage ( you don't mention when that was) compatible with her 1881 census age and with her age on first marriage ?
For a flavour of Newbiggin in the past, go to >communities.northumberland.gov.uk<
Choose " Newbiggin", then from left hand menu choose
" Photographs", then click on the photo called " Baiting the Lines"... click the " more info" button, and read about an Armstrong girl.
Then choose " manuscripts" and see Armstrongs in the School Admission Register for 1869-1873.
Then go to "Printed Material" and see the Kelly's Trade Directory for 1910... and the Armstrons listed there.
Main industry in Newbiggin was Fishing, but there was a coal mine there. I do not think there was a coal mine in Wooler ( but am not sure about that)
Michael Dixon
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rhial
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Hi Micheal
Thank you for your reply to my original post which was very convoluted even by my standards.
I had very little info on my Gr Granny when I started out. My Gran died aged 29yrs and my Mum was 9 years old.
Mary Jane CAIRNS (my Gran) birth certificate details: Born 10.12 1905 at Shawdon Hill, Shawdon Registration District Embleton. Father John CAIRNS occupation Farm Labourer. Mother Mary Ann CAIRNS formerly ARMSTRONG.
My G Gran Mary Ann CAIRNS 2nd marriage cert to Joseph MADDISON 5.3 1921 Mary Ann CAIRNS age 43 (or 49 as writing is blurred) Widow 34 Marine Street Newbiggin, Father John ARMSTRONG (deceased) Fisherman. Joseph Maddison her second husband also gives his address as 34 Marine Street.
Mary Ann ARMSTRONG and John CAIRNS marriage certificate 26.10.1901 Wooler.
John CAIRNS age 20 Agricultural Labourer Residence Whittingham Father Patrick Cairns Deceased Father's Occupation Labourer.
Mary Ann ARMSTRONG age 23, Domestic Servant, Residence at time of marriage Wooler, Father John ARMSTRONG Miner (coal).
The scant family information for Mary Ann and John Cairns that I have is what my Mum told my Sister. I wasn't interested in Family History when I was younger, of course I'm regretting that now!
Mary Ann was from Newbiggin fisherfolk, the family lived in Prospect. My Sister was told that Mary Ann's parents were called Ralph (Shamrock) and Hannah. I presume that they were her Granparents as she consistently lists John Armstrong as her Father. Mary Ann married John CAIRNS they had 3 children Hannah, Mary Jane and John Hunter. They lived somewhere near West Ditchburn. They returned to live in Newbiggin while the children were still young and lived at 6 Prospect Place. Mary Ann died in 1930 (not 1921 as I wrote earlier). John Cairns died in 1916.
I'm still not sure about the wedding certificate of Mary Ann and John Cairns as the family info was Mary Ann's father was a Fisherman and never left Newbiggin. I'll check to see if Newbiggin Pit was open in 1901.
Thanks for the info on Newbiggin Communities
Best Wishes
Rhial
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Irene B
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Just a thought, since your grandmother died so young, have you checked the local papers for a notice, if her parents were still alive it might give their names. I would suggest the Journal or Ashington Post.
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rhial
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Hi Ireneb
The Journal and Ashington Post sound like good ideas I didn't even know that there was an Ashington Post. I have since found out that my Grandmother's (Mary Jane) parents were both dead in 1934 at the time of her death. I have no idea when my Gr Grandfather John Cairns died or was born my Gr Grandmother remarried in 1921 and died 1930. I'm at a loss how to find any information about John Cairns. The only 'factual' information that I have is that he married Mary Ann Armstrong October 26th 1901 in Wooler he gives his age as 20 and residence as Whittingham. They had 3 children Hannah, John and Mary Jane. I would appreciate any ideas how to progress further.
Many thanks and best wishes
Rhial
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Irene B
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Did John and Mary Ann marry before or after 1901 census?
In 1891 Newbiggin, Hewitts Buildings, there is a Ralph and Hannah Armstrong, he is a fisherman. Both were born in Newbiggin, he is 54 and she is 58.
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Irene B
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Sorry I posted before I was finished, next door are John and Hannah Armstrong and they have a daughter Mary A Armstrong aged 12, all born Newbiggin and he is a fisherman.
If you don't have access to 1891 census let me know and I will send you full details. PM your email address to me.
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Dawson, Main, Rossiter, Cadman, Blackburn - Northumberland
Wibberley, Boulton, Walwyn, Cadman, Holt, Terry - Staffordshire
Cadman - Yorkshire
Hoult, Saiger, Blackburn - County Durham
Lester, Campling - Norfolk, Bedfordshire and London
Kefford, Croot - Bedfordshire
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Irene B
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I found them! 1901 census
Whittingham Village, both in the household of George Heatheritt or Weatheritt, Farmer
John Cairns, servant, 19, Ordinary Agricultural Labourer, born Scotland
Mary Ann Armstrong, servant, single, 22 born Northumberland, Parish not known
also have Armstrongs in Newbiggin for you from 1851 to 1901, let me know where to email them to (by PM)
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Dawson, Main, Rossiter, Cadman, Blackburn - Northumberland
Wibberley, Boulton, Walwyn, Cadman, Holt, Terry - Staffordshire
Cadman - Yorkshire
Hoult, Saiger, Blackburn - County Durham
Lester, Campling - Norfolk, Bedfordshire and London
Kefford, Croot - Bedfordshire
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