Hi Wendy Thanks for that info. It now seems that there are two different Piper families in my f/tree, . Your Pipers are from Sudbury (right?).
Ellen Piper M Ezekiel Sore, Ezekiel had a brother Arthur who was my great grand-father.
The other Pipers are from Foxearth Essex -very near Sudbury- Arthur's son Ezekiel b 1884 married Mary A E Parmenter, it was her aunt Mary Parmenter who M John Piper b 1836.
So which lot has the parents of Martha Piper b c 1875??? I seem to have one of those families where brothers from one family marry sisters from another.
Thanks again look forward to hearing from you again