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Jeanette H
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QUESTION: Did 'Huguenots' settle in Scotland?
« on: Thursday 26 May 05 11:32 UTC (UK) »

Hello to all RootsChat Members,

I have recently come across some information stating that the 'Huguenots', left France between the years of 1685-1760, travelling to various countries including England.

QUESTION: Is it possible that they could also have settled in Scotland? Possibly changing their names.

Is anyone aware of this actually having taken place, and if so what counties of Scotland would most likely have been their destination?

Jeanette H.


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scotmum
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Re: QUESTION: Did 'Huguenots' settle in Scotland?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 26 May 05 12:02 UTC (UK) »

Found this:

1609 Group of Flemish Huguenots settled in Canongate, Scotland.

and

By 1707 400 refugee Huguenot families had settled in Scotland. Helped establish the Scottish weaving trade.


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STEWART, Lanarkshire, Scotland and Fermanagh/Monaghan border areas, Ireland
LILLEY, County Antrim, Ireland (now NI).
HENDERSON,Lanarkshire,Scotland and probably County Londonderry, Ireland (now NI).
CAPE Cumberland, England & Lanarkshire, Scotland
SCOTT Cumberland, England & Lanarkshire, Scotland

Jeanette H
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Re: QUESTION: Did 'Huguenots' settle in Scotland?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 27 May 05 06:22 UTC (UK) »

Hello Scotmum,

That certainly is very interesting information, that will come in handy when I try to analyse if there is any 'Huguenot' connections.

As I have BROWNs & CAMPBELLs in Ayrshire and Wigtownshire, also TURNBULLs in Roxburghshire (a Merchant in Hawick, do not know what he traded in). The mystery is that we cannot find their births, marriages and deaths.

Thank you for your reply,
Jeanette H.


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vascellaro
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Re: QUESTION: Did 'Huguenots' settle in Scotland?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 01 September 06 02:09 UTC (UK) »

How very interesting! I live in Ulster CO, NY, and the Huguenots settled in New Paltz about the same time.

As a member of a local historical society, I am excited to tie local history to Scottish.

Peigi


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Re: QUESTION: Did 'Huguenots' settle in Scotland?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 01 September 06 06:12 UTC (UK) »

I have found out that some of my ancestors came from France and settled in Lanarkshire sometime after 1760. I havnt found out as yet if they were Huguenots though.

Linda.


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Falkyrn
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Re: QUESTION: Did 'Huguenots' settle in Scotland?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 01 September 06 09:12 UTC (UK) »

the figures concerning the 1609 settlement and 1707 families comes from
http://www.pierrechastain.com/timeline.htm.

There are also "stories" of Flemish families settling in Pollokshaws (which would have then been in Renfrewshire). Indeed one local legend has it that that the Flemish settlers were the main point of reference when speaking about "the queer folk o' the 'shaws"

The first paper mill in Glasgow is reputed to have been founded by a Huguenot refugee.

There is also a book available showing some of these links by David Dobson
"Huguenot and Scots Links, 1575-1775"


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Re: QUESTION: Did 'Huguenots' settle in Scotland?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 01 September 06 09:17 UTC (UK) »

I have possible Hugenots in Dumfriesshire around that time, if it's any help

Still verifying my descent but they were definitely there from early 1700s. Weavers in Nithsdale.

Gadget


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Falkyrn
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Re: QUESTION: Did 'Huguenots' settle in Scotland?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 01 September 06 09:30 UTC (UK) »

Its fascinating reading ... there were at least 3 "official" Huguenot wars in France with the first emigration as early as 1572 - the main body left after serious persecution began again around 1685.Approximately 250,000 were reputed to have left France within 2 or 3 years 10,000 going to Ireland with only a small percentage going to Scotland.

If anyone remembers the dashing exploits of the 4 musketeers - especially the latter stages where they took part in the siege of la Rochelle against "rebels" - these rebels being supported by the English were the Huguenots - real history always tends to tarnish heroic figures (even fictional ones)


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Jeanette H
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Re: QUESTION: Did 'Huguenots' settle in Scotland?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 01 September 06 13:02 UTC (UK) »

Hello to All RootsChat Members,

It is good to see this 'Topic' become active again (which was last active in May 2005).

Thank you all who have contributed today Peigi / Linda / Gadget / & Falkyrn.

Falkyrn - thank you for sharing your knowledge on 'The Huguenots' - it certainly does appear to be very fascinating reading. If you care to share further information with us, then please go right ahead, I am sure we would all be very interested.

I will have a look at the link you suggested, also I will try to track down the Book by 'David Dobson'.

Falkyrn - I see by your Names Search Listing, that you are Researching 'POGUE (POLLOCK)', I gather that 'POGUE' might be the Huguenot spelling for 'POLLOCK', am I correct in assuming this?

You also made mention of: "Pollokshaws (which would have then been in Renfrewshire)". Is this where the 'POGUE'/'POLLOCKs' possibly settled?

The reason I am asking is because my husband's family has 'POLLOCK' connections.

Thanks again everyone.
Jeanette H.


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Falkyrn
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Re: QUESTION: Did 'Huguenots' settle in Scotland?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 01 September 06 14:00 UTC (UK) »

The Pogue line is one of my main enigmas ...... Until recently a solid Irish brick wall .

However a chink appears and it is possible that the Pogue line is possibly Dutch/Flemish in origin as is another of my Irish lines (Fluck/Fluke may have been Flook).

My interest in Pollokshaws stems from my father who was born there - My grandfather (who carried the Pogue and Fluck Lines) stayed and worked there in the dye works. Often during my childhood I heard tales of the "queer folk o' the 'shaws" and its reference to the mills.

You also have to be careful as there have been considerable Flemish influences in Scotland since the 12th Century rather than purely Huguenot settlers.

I have only recently started to look at possible influences from Europe but for a while it is likely to remain wishful thinking.

I am also easily distracted and often end up reading piles of material simply because something has caught my eye Grin


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Jeanette H
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Re: QUESTION: Did 'Huguenots' settle in Scotland?
« Reply #10 on: Friday 01 September 06 15:08 UTC (UK) »

Hello Falkyrn,

Thank you for your prompt reply.
I think we all must take many little diversions in our research, for if we did not we might never come across an end result, or have the knowledge to make the decisions as to which may be our next direction within our research.

When I first posted this 'Topic' it was because I had heard about
'The Huguenots', and because we could not make any connections going back with in my research, I was trying different scenarios as to why there was no ancestry. There could also be a real possibility of a link to
'The Covenanters', with my families in the Ayrshire/Wigtownshire areas.

At this stage I do not know where my ancestry arrived from prior to Scotland / England / Wales / Ireland, but that is further down the track.

However, it has only been within the past month or so, with the help from other people here on 'RootsChat', that my assumptions relating to my family connections have been confirmed as being correct. I still have a long way to go, but now I have a direction to go.

The following links are where my assumptions - turned to reality and confirmation:
Topic: Re: BROWNs of OCHILTREE: Similarity of 2-Families with Possible Connections.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,165126.0.html

Topic: James and Margaret BROWN (nee CAMPBELL).
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,60007.0.html

Topic: Is This 'TURNBULL' Family On Your Family Tree?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,68197.0.html

Topic: Thomas TURNBULL - Merchant of Hawick, Roxburghshire, Scotland.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,59474.0.html

I wish you success in your travels with your research.

Jeanette H.


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Malmo
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Re: QUESTION: Did 'Huguenots' settle in Scotland?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 02 September 06 00:13 UTC (UK) »

This is very interesting. There are lots of uniquly Scottish family names with Latin origins. I know Latin was spoken in Scotland since the days of St Columbo but that doesn't explain to me why Scotland, a land steeped in it's own history and cultural identity should adopt foriegn names.
Could it be the case that such names came about much later through the introduction of people like the Huguenot's
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trishmac
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Re: QUESTION: Did 'Huguenots' settle in Scotland?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 02 September 06 21:34 UTC (UK) »

Hello Jeanette
Put 'Huguenots' into Wikipedia and you get an interesting history/timeline and also a list of famous people who are/were of Huguenot origin.
On the Mutch family website www.mutches.com Harry Mutch speculates whether the Mutches were Huguenots from the Low Countries, the theory being that Mutch comes from 'mutze' meaning a linen cap and our ancestors were weavers. However, having read what Falkryn says about the Flemish coming to Scotland from the 12th century onwards, perhaps not, especially since the first mention of a Mutch in written records - Marjory, a witch - is in the 1590's, if I remember correctly.
Malmo, I have also wondered why there are so many surnames in the North-east of Scotland which end in 'o'...e.g. Dalgarno, Argo, Catto etc. Was that because they were originally spelt with an 'eau'? D'algarneaux?
Just a thought.
Trish


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Jeanette H
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Re: QUESTION: Did 'Huguenots' settle in Scotland?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 03 September 06 10:20 UTC (UK) »

Hello Trish,

Thank you for directing me to 'Wikipedia', it certainly gives a good coverage of the topic, with plenty of 'Food For Thought'.

Jeanette H.


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Malmo
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Re: QUESTION: Did 'Huguenots' settle in Scotland?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 03 September 06 22:37 UTC (UK) »

I don’t know the answer to that Trish, but there was a time when the Scots weren’t getting on too well with the English that French was taught and spoken routinely in elements of Scots society. Correct me but I think this was about and beyond the time of Mary Stewart. Isn’t it the case that she changed her name to Stuart to accommodate the French who didn’t know what to do with W’s? I just checked this out with my wife who is fluent and she can’t think of a single example apart from “le weekend”. Not exactly the definitive word on the subject particularly as she is watching television.
Anyway, I don’t mean to move away from the Huguenot’s which is interesting in itself but your comment about certain names of French origin being concentrated in the north east of Scotland is telling. My own family name which comes from French, Latin occurs more frequently in Aberdeen than elsewhere and my namesake was the burgess of that city in fifteen fifty nine. As you say, there are many other examples. I would love to know why.


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