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DBSIG: German Pork Butchers
« on: Saturday 01 September 12 10:26 BST (UK) »
Original title: "Possible database: German Pork Butchers"

Hi all "german pork butcher" descendants and fans,

RichardFunk mentioned here that he is compiling a list:
I've started recording German pork butchers as I find them and adding them to a list I'm building up.

Following on from the addition of the Occupation to the Surname Interests Table (SIT)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,612580.0.html
I've been thinking about how to construct a database for the German Pork Butchers (GPB).  Perhaps we can find a way to include Richard's list, making it available to all RootsChatters.

So far: 
I've filtered out all the names from these topics:
Topic: RootsChat Topics: German Pork Butchers
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,509347.0.html
and now have a list of  30 Rootschatters searching for 79 surnames.


One possibility I now have is to enter them all into the SIT (using a simple SQL operation), with
Country: Germany
County: State of origin in Germany
Place: Place of origin in Germany   
Occupation: German Pork Butchers
Text: Place(s) of settlement in Britain.
i.e. Country, County Place = From ...;  Text = To ...

I also have another 11 names which were mentioned in the topics, but without specific connections to RootsChatter-Families.
Curtis     /    /            / Lincoln      
Thompson   /    /            / Burnley       
Haffner    /    /            / Burnley       
Weegman    /    /            / Otley           
Hertrich   /    /            / South Shields
Hohenrein  /  Baden-Württemburg  / Morsbach   / Hull         
Roll       / Baden-Württemburg / Künzelsau  /           
Vogtherr   /  Baden-Württemburg  / Blaufelden / Sunderland   
shy        /    /            /               
scheu      /    /            /               
Breuning   / Baden-Württemburg / Hohebach   / West Bowling 
(If anybody can link these to RootsChatter Families please let me know)


Another possibility is to compile a list similar to the sugar bakers database
http://www.mawer.clara.net/history.html
with a column for Contributor (RootsChat name) and a column for "Family connection". The RootsChat name of any family member could be added here.
This would have the advantage that all names can be added, even if no family connection is known, and if a connection is found later, that can then be edited in.

All feedback welcome :)

Bob
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Re: Possible database: German Pork Butchers
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 01 September 12 12:35 BST (UK) »
Ok, I'm not very good at understanding how this web site works, but i am interested in contributing to a data base or list, if that is what you want to set up.   I have interest in Steinbach (Hull, Otley, Lincolnshire and Durham) Ehrenfried's who settled in Lincolnshire) Wittmann (Hull) Bauman,  (Bowman)   Schellenberg, Dagenbach - all these families intermarried/interacted and play a part in my family tree.

Is this of any help.   I was also interested that you had Weegman down for Hull, rather than Otley.  Were there Weegman's in Hull?

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Re: Possible database: German Pork Butchers
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 01 September 12 14:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Bob,

How I missed this thread is beyond me.....

Bob, I like the idea of a database for German pork butchers. I, like Richard Funk, have many German pork butchers, not related (as yet) to me, on my hard disk with their birth origins in Germany, i.e. Hohenlohe, Schwäbisch Hall, etc.

I lately thought of sharing my finds by opening up a Tree on the Ancy site and calling it Pork Butchers from Hohenlohe and surroundings.

One thing I have found is that a lot of the butchers from the Northern counties moved to Nottinghamshire and Norfolk from Yorkshire and back again.

One area that really snows with PB's is Liverpool. I have at least two of my ancestors there in Widnes.

On my direct line "Pfisterer", it ends with Johann Friedrich Pfisterer, Master Butcher in Mexborough who died 1875. His two sons, Charles Frederick moved to Flint River, Des Moines, Iowa and Christian Louis (my grandfather) ran a garage, taxi service, cycle shop etc. in Northwich, Cheshire following John Heinzmann, his first cousin, to Northwich, Cheshire who was a Pork Butcher.

Just aside:

I recently found my grandmother Margaretha Brück's 2 year younger brother who was working for the Hohenreins in 1861in England and in that year he emigrated to the USA and I had seen him but couldn't prove the blood line until I found him on the 1925 in Iowa Census in which mother's and father's names are required. He was my man!!! I have found all his children and their spouses and am about to send off a letter to his granddaughter to establish our relationship.

However I can help on this project, you can count on me.

 
 
 
 
Whitlow: Witton-cum-Twambrooks/Northwich
Owen: Cheshire
Pfisterer (Fisher): West Riding Yks 1850-1875
Fisher (Pfisterer): Des Moines, Iowa 1886-
Wallis: West Riding Yks/Des Moines, Iowa, 1892-
Heinzmann: Hull/Northwich
Pfisterer, Heinzmann, Künzelsau, Baden-Württemberg
Brueck: Kocherstetten B-W
Volpp: Morsbach B-W
Schluchterer: Künzelsau, B-W

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Re: Possible database: German Pork Butchers
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 01 September 12 14:54 BST (UK) »
Hi vanny,

I can't claim 100% accuracy on this, as I was working fast and trying to filter aout the names and places, and who they "belong" to.  I've corrected it now.

thanks,
Bob
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Re: Possible database: German Pork Butchers
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 01 September 12 15:01 BST (UK) »
To all,

I don't need to know the names at the moment, this topic is just for gathering ideas how a database could be set up and what it should /could include. And who can enter data, and how, etc, etc.

There are (at least) two possible approaches:

1) the SIT, where people enter their surname interests. This doesn't allow for adding names which aren't related but are also german pork butchers.

2) a database of all german pork butchers, regardless of where the information came from. 

As an example, here are the columns from the sugar bakers database:
NAME    
FORENAME    
ORIGIN (Place)    
DETAILS / EVENT    
ADDRESS - Business, (Home)    
LOCATION (in UK)    
YEAR    
SOURCE (census, newspaper, contributor)

new:
Contributor:  RootsChat name as profile link
Related to:  as RootsChat is about "connections" I would at least include a column, where RootsChatters can register their family interests in this name.

Keep the ideas coming, as I'm only at the planning stage for now.

thanks,
Bob
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Re: Possible database: German Pork Butchers
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 01 September 12 19:15 BST (UK) »
I think the 2nd!   

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Re: Possible database: German Pork Butchers
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 01 September 12 22:18 BST (UK) »
I am also very much in favour of establishing such a database.
I agree with 0113vanny. Or does RichardFunk have a better or some additional ideas, as he has already begun to compile such a database? Perhaps you should ask him?

Best wishes
Histres
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Re: Possible database: German Pork Butchers
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 02 September 12 07:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Histres,

Richard is already in contact with me via PM and is also going to discuss
this idea with the AGFHS (Anglo-German Family History Society).

Gruß,
Bob
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Re: Possible database: German Pork Butchers
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 09 September 12 11:12 BST (UK) »
Hi All,

not enough feedback yet for a specific database, but for starters I've added all the names from the "german pork butcher" topics to the SIT.

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One possibility I now have is to enter them all into the SIT (using a simple SQL operation), with
Country: Germany
County: State of origin in Germany
Place: Place of origin in Germany   
Occupation: German Pork Butchers
Text: Place(s) of settlement in Britain.
i.e. Country, County Place = From ...;  Text = To ...

I've used the structure I mentioned above.  This may mean that some records are now duplicated, in particular, with country, county etc being the place of settlement in Britain rather than place of origin, but we have plenty of space, so that is no problem (for the SIT). They are your records, so feel free to edit them as you wish.

To view the list, just click on the "Surnames"-button at the top of the page, then "Advanced Search" and select "German Pork Butchers" in the drop-down menu for Occupations

regards,
Bob
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