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lyndyloo6
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 343
My Great Grandmother, Susan Allan Welsh,Bervie
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Hi Folks,
I know that i have posted this person before, but here I am 2 years down the road and mega bucks spent on research. William is my gt grandfather. I cannot find his birth certificate anywhere. I will tell you what I have got and see if anyone has any ideas on how to solve my brickwall.
I have William marriage certificate...married to Isabella Gibb at Burn of Guinea, Glenbervie. Occupation Shepherd. aged 32 and working at the Bent of Haulkerton, Laurencekirk. Parents William Ross, and Florence Smith. (not put down as having been married as there is no MS written). Both parents are still alive, as they are not recorded as deceased. Date was 23/12/1904.
They had 4 children, William, James, Isabella and Sarah. All born in and around Laurencekirk.
I then have Williams death certificate which states he was a retired shepherd and widower of Isabella. dated 6/09/1956. He died in Croy, Invernesshire. It is then stated that his parents are William BREMNER and florence BREMNER, MS Smith. It was recorded by his 16 year old grandson. I have spoken to him and he does not recall the name Bremner.
I have since found a birth certificate for a William Bremner Ross born District of St Nicolas, Aberdeenshire in 1872, (which would be about right) and the mother is recorded as Isabella Ross, unmarried....
I am not sure where to look now or how to resolve this, as I cannot get any further back without any positive info. I also have him, (I think) as being a boarder in 1881 on a farm and in 1891 in a Bothy. He seems to be on his own.
Any help would be great as I would love to resolve this.
Regards,
Lynda
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Welsh, Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
McDonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Robertson, McKay, Blyth, McHale, Begg, McCann, McCabe, Horan, Edinburgh.
McGoohan, Conway, Kelly, Meechan, Edinburgh, Ireland
Goodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.
Logie, Seater, Swan/Swanny, Kirkwall,
Sutherland, Dingwall
McLaughlan, Michael, Edinburgh Ireland
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lyndyloo6
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 343
My Great Grandmother, Susan Allan Welsh,Bervie
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Hi Rowana,
He is listed as Ross on all the certs I have. His children are all Ross. The info on the marriage cert, is info that he would have given and as he was 33 when he got married well you think it would be correct. His headstone says his name is William Ross,,,never any mention of the Bremner part, so I am not sure where to go now. It is such a common name as well. On one of the census reports it say born Aberdeenshire..NK, which I presume is 'not known', and the others say Aberdeenshire....roll on the 1911 census coming out....gads I have loads to look up....my other gt grandfather did a runner from Montrose and married bigamously in Africa where he lived out his life. One is not known and the other one Alex Welsh is the only one that stayed around....and they talk about the young folks today and all their offspring.....lol makes for a colorfull family history..
Regards,
Lynda
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Welsh, Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
McDonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Robertson, McKay, Blyth, McHale, Begg, McCann, McCabe, Horan, Edinburgh.
McGoohan, Conway, Kelly, Meechan, Edinburgh, Ireland
Goodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.
Logie, Seater, Swan/Swanny, Kirkwall,
Sutherland, Dingwall
McLaughlan, Michael, Edinburgh Ireland
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lyndyloo6
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 343
My Great Grandmother, Susan Allan Welsh,Bervie
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Oh and Rowana, I cannot find a Florence Smith anywhere in Scotland....bit strange dont you think?
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Welsh, Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
McDonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Robertson, McKay, Blyth, McHale, Begg, McCann, McCabe, Horan, Edinburgh.
McGoohan, Conway, Kelly, Meechan, Edinburgh, Ireland
Goodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.
Logie, Seater, Swan/Swanny, Kirkwall,
Sutherland, Dingwall
McLaughlan, Michael, Edinburgh Ireland
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flst
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 446
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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What about checking the school admission rolls? The child's date of birth will be entered,address & parent or guardian's name.This is a great way to trace the movements of a family as the name of the previous or future school will be recorded.You can then look up their records.If you cannot visit Aberdeen,you can telephone or email your query.
flst
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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lyndyloo6
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 343
My Great Grandmother, Susan Allan Welsh,Bervie
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Hi Flst,
That sounds good, but I have never done this before...how do you do it and who do you contact?
Tahnks,
Lynda
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Welsh, Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
McDonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Robertson, McKay, Blyth, McHale, Begg, McCann, McCabe, Horan, Edinburgh.
McGoohan, Conway, Kelly, Meechan, Edinburgh, Ireland
Goodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.
Logie, Seater, Swan/Swanny, Kirkwall,
Sutherland, Dingwall
McLaughlan, Michael, Edinburgh Ireland
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kenjo
RootsChat Aristocrat
Posts: 1197
http://www.whalesrevenge.com
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Hi There,
This does sound like he was illegitimate, which would usually have him registered under his mothers name. so you should be searchng for him being Smith. It is also quite usual for them to later use their fathers surname.
Also it doesn't always mean that the parents are alive if they are not listed as deceased.
I can see several Florence Smiths in scotland. there is one born about 1853.
I am onto something at the moment..
I will post again, with this family I see.
modified.
I have found your previous posting and after reading it, I notice you have a different birth year. c 1879.
Also, you say you have found him in the 1881c, How sure are you that this is him? 
Now, this is what I have found and it really is quite a stretch, I am afraid.
There is a william ross living with his grandmother Christina Bremner, in 1881, Drumblade
her husband Alexander is working away but is still head of the houshold. for it states that Jessie Horne is the stepdaughter. Jessie is actually the daughter of Christian Loggie and James Horn.
I know this is all confusing as there are so many illegitemate children here.
Christian/Christina Loggie born c 1843 is the child of Alexander Loggie and Jean, she has a sister Elizabeth who later is known as Jessie. these 2 girls have several children to diffent fellows.
Christian has Jessie Horn 1850 father James Horn, & Jane Ross 1856 father james Ross.
Christina/Christian has with Alexander Bremner who is about (16yrs younger) than Christina,
-Morris, 1865
James 1867
William 1869
Her daughter Jessie Horn has several children as well
Alexander Sutherland Horn 1870
Jane horne 1871
Alexander Mortimer or horn 1873
I wonder if Jane Ross or Loggie born 1856, could be the mother of William Ross 1875.
I think that this is the birth cert of William Ross
1 1875 WILLIAM FORBES ROSS M FORGUE /ABERDEEN 194/00 0033
I think it was the 1871c that Alexander Bremner
was working for William Smith in Drumblade.
and this is really funny, but in the 1851c there was a Margaret Florence working for the Smith family as well.
It is probably all a red herring, but you never know, maybe it has been a bit of a coverup, or your William wanted to be ligitimate.
Do any of these names ring any bells, who were the witnesses on the marriage cert?
All the best 
JO
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flst
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 446
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Here's the link,which appears on the Aberdeenshire board;
The school admission registers & headteacher's log books for nearly 500 schools across the North East are held in Old Aberdeen House.
www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/archives
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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lyndyloo6
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 343
My Great Grandmother, Susan Allan Welsh,Bervie
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Gosh Kenjo,
I have just woken up aftr a night shift....this is mega to take in...apologies for the wrong birth year in my first post...this was the other side where they behaved themselves.....lol
Firstly, I have never heard of any of the names that you mention, but Mum died when I was 15 and william died a couple of years after I was born. I deduced that William was born in 1871/2 as it is about the only thing that is consistent with the info that I have is the age of him at any given time...but hey am starting to doubt this.
The witnesses at his wedding were James Henry or Harvey....the writing is not good.
I did find a Florence Smith living in a house in Aberdeen, where there was a William Bremner aged 11. She was 18 and a domestic servant, but I thought that he would be too young.
I also found a Florence Smith living with her family in Aberdeen. Her father was a joiner I think.
I am just totally confused by the whole thing and seem to have spent such a long time on this man. I have just moved house so I will have another look at the stuff that I have filed away in the boxes when I moved.
William seems to have been a very respectable man. He worked all his days as a shephersand pprovided for his family. I cannot remember my grandmother speaking of him, but she never really spoke of anyone. \i think with hindsight that she may have had underlying mental health issues. I do know that the family were devasted when Williams son died in WW2. Anyway can I get back to you on where William was in the census report as I will need to look it up.
Thank you for your help and it is certainly a possibility.
Thank you also flst and I will try this as well. you never know what will turn up.
Kind regards to yo both,
Lynda
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Welsh, Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
McDonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Robertson, McKay, Blyth, McHale, Begg, McCann, McCabe, Horan, Edinburgh.
McGoohan, Conway, Kelly, Meechan, Edinburgh, Ireland
Goodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.
Logie, Seater, Swan/Swanny, Kirkwall,
Sutherland, Dingwall
McLaughlan, Michael, Edinburgh Ireland
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