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rolo
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Can you read this Cheshire placename?
« on: Wednesday 01 June 05 20:24 UTC (UK) »

I'm having difficulty reading a word on an old certificate.

the first line says Cheshire ????
second line: Lancashire Stalybridge

Any ideas?

Thanks


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Re: Can you read this Cheshire placename?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 01 June 05 20:33 UTC (UK) »

Mole ?
Huh Undecided Jan
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Re: Can you read this Cheshire placename?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 01 June 05 20:33 UTC (UK) »

This may well be Meols - there is a Great Meols and a Little Meols and in historical times the spelling has been a bit varied. Cool Cool
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Re: Can you read this Cheshire placename?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 01 June 05 22:06 UTC (UK) »

I did consider Meols, but if the last letter's an "s" it looks very different from the s in Cheshire & Lancashire.

Could be Mole, was there such a place as Mole in Cheshire in the 1800's?
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Re: Can you read this Cheshire placename?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 01 June 05 23:32 UTC (UK) »

Hi rolo,

Try this site for information on Meols, Hoylake, The Wirral.

http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba62/feat3.shtml

Was mostly washed away  - but still there in the late 18th and early 19th century.

Can't think of anywhere else it could be!!

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Re: Can you read this Cheshire placename?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 02 June 05 16:02 UTC (UK) »

Hi
    Do you have the same person in another census year, if yes where was the birthplace on that ?

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Re: Can you read this Cheshire placename?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 02 June 05 21:04 UTC (UK) »

looks like Meols! maybe they spelt it different then "Mols"
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Re: Can you read this Cheshire placename?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 06 June 05 17:42 UTC (UK) »

looks like Meols! maybe they spelt it different then "Mols"
chris.
or maybe mels but still that last letter looks more like an e than an s to me (compare to the s in Cheshire)
Thought people were supposed to have immaculate copperplate handwrithing in those days!
 
Peter, unfortunately I don't have anymore occurances for her, she was quite short lived, born 1835, dead by 30.
 
Thanks for the meols site Keith, interesting
 
& thanks everyone for your input,
Cheers,
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Re: Can you read this Cheshire placename?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 06 June 05 17:59 UTC (UK) »

Could it be Moss? You know the old way of spelling double "S" as "FS"
It could be "Mofs"
The problem is WHICH Moss, and where is the tail on the "f"!!
Just a thought,

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Re: Can you read this Cheshire placename?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 07 June 05 11:06 UTC (UK) »

Hi Susan

               If she lived for 30 years she will be on a census, if have a name someone will look it up for you.

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Re: Can you read this Cheshire placename?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 11 June 05 15:17 UTC (UK) »

Mole is an old name for the area we now call Mow Cop Cheshire, sometimes written as Moule as well, check out Mow Cop webste for further advice on this old name for the village.
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Re: Can you read this Cheshire placename?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 11 June 05 15:27 UTC (UK) »

From www.mowcop.com (snippets section)

There has been a lot of speculation over the years as to where Mow Cop got its name as well as to how it’s pronounced. People away from the area pronounce it Moe, whereas locals Mow as in cow either could be called correct, as both are similar in local dialect with Mole. Only a North Staffs dialect would call a Mole (mo).
 
The following is from Edgar tooth's book the distinctive surnames of north Staffordshire (churnet valley books): - Mow Cop is important for a third reason - it is one source of the surname Mole/moule/mowl in north Staffordshire, for early spellings of the locality in the Tunstall manor court rolls comprise " Moule" in 1348, " mouhull " in 1362 and " mool "in 1512, whilst in the parish registers at Wolstanton it occurs as " moll " in 1605 and as " mole " in 1694. These forms suggest a hill with a boundary cairn.
   
It has also been mentioned that the name comes from the Saxon Moela Copa meaning bald hill.

Does this help you any, a look around thewebsite may supply some similar family names, what name went alongside this on the census page?
Gareth
 
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Re: Can you read this Cheshire placename?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 14 June 05 17:59 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for your suggestions Gareth.
It's certainly a possibility if Mow Cop was known Mole historically.

Does anyone know if it it was still called Mole in the mid-1800's?

Cheers,
rolo
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