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Topic: "Pettingdon" ??? (Read 680 times)
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chrissiehope
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Hi Emma,
It was Ann Harrison, daughter of Francis & Fanny ! She married William Welch of Clifton, Notts, in 1818 or 1819 (it's down twice on IGI !!), in either North or South Clifton (depending on the date !!)
Cheers,
Chris
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Hindley family (Chesh/NWales), Hope family (Chesh), Sheppard family (London), Carlisle family (London), Welch family (London/Notts).
Abergele town/area esp Chapel St/Post Office Lane 1800-1900
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Geoff E
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How about-
ANN HARRISON
Female
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Christening: 18 MAY 1785 Skellingthorpe, Lincoln, England
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Parents:
Father: JOS. HARRISON Family
Mother: FRANCES
I know ..... only the mother's name is right, but it's the right side of the county! Of course, if she was still producing kids in the 1840s then it would seem to rule her out.
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Heather DD
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How about this one in the 1851 census? Thorney is also in the North Collingham sub-district of newark, and there is also a William Welch age 33 living in North Clifton if you'd like those details too. Be aware there is a Doddington near Lincoln and a Dry Doddington near Grantham (which is in the Newark area). However in this case I think the Lincoln Doddington more likely.
HO107 2136 118 11
Thorney
William Welch head mar 61 famer 200 acres employing 3 labs Notts Clifton
Ann wife 56 farmer's wife Lincs Doddington
Robert Welch son 27 farmers son Notts Wigsley??
John son 25 famers son Wigsley
Catherine dau 15 farmers dau Wigsley
plus servants
Image quite faint. pm me if you would like to seeit.
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Heather DD
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According to the Notts FHS marriage index (transcribed from parish records) the marriage is North Clifton 19/05/1818
No baptisms for this couple at North Clifton, which helps to confirm they moved out of the parish.
Hope this helps, Heather
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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chrissiehope
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Hi Emma & Heather,
Good grief - Do you ever sleep ?!!! I checked my posts before I went to bed last night, and when I check them this morning - mega response !!
The 1851 is the right family, I'm sure - William & Ann's son, William, is on IGI as Thornley, but he's given Wigsley in other censuses. I haven't got my files handy, as I was just passing the computer & thought I'd check, and I'm rather restricted on the mobility front, having broken my ankle five weeks ago !!
As Ann gives 'Doddington' as her birth place - how does that match with the entry Geoff had showing Skellingthorpe ? (Thanks Geoff !). I think that Ann is probably a bit old - when I come back past the computer, I will bring my files & give you the info I have !!
Cheers,
Chris
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Heather DD
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You're welcome, we like a puzzle 
Just wondered where you got her parents names from and how reliable the source? As there are two possible Anns in the extracted records on the IGI
14 Jan 1795 Doddington To Jervis and Rebbeccah
10 Mar 1797 Doddington to William and Ann
Baptisms for dry doddington aren't there so all I can say for sure is that there were no Harrisons in Dry Doddington 1841 ....
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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chrissiehope
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Hi Heather,
I was given a very basic line of descent for the Welch family, mentioning spouses and some dates. This was given over the phone by an elderly cousin of my husband who had done some research on her own line, and I certainly misheard her once 'cos I put Pecklington and then crossed it out !. Up til now, this has proved to be fairly accurate, but I don't actually know where she got the info from ! I thought I found an Ann Harrison, daughter of Francis Harrison & Frances Fox, but I can't find the printout or the original entry (from online IGI), so I don't know where that came from either !!!
The entries you found both seem to fit better, (I especially fancy the Jervis & Rebbeccah !! Nice unusual names !)
I have a census entry for 1861 Notts, showing the son William & his [u][/u]wife Ann (just to complicate matters !) - he is age 40 then, so presumably should also be on the 1851 Notts. William senior died in 1858 (so he won't be on the 1861), but I wondered if Ann senior was - if you have access to that ?
I have other possible children for William & Ann senior:
Joseph bap 31.8.1826
Frederick bap 21.4.1828 (tho the IGI entry said this one died in 1866, but I found a Frederick b Wigsley abt 1831 in the 1881 census !)
Sarah A b c 1831 (she was a widow living with John, and her widowed sister Catherine in 1881) - any sign of them in 1851/61??
Right, I'll be back later - I've got to go & plant up some hanging baskets - not easy when you can't put any weight on your left foot !!!
Cheers,
Chris
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Heather DD
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1841 census .. adult ages rounded down to nearest 5 years, Y/N whether born in county or not.
HO107 862 13 4
Wigsley
William Welch 50 farmer y
Ann 40 N
Brian 20 Y (I thought this a strange name but cannot turn it into anything else!)
Robert 15 Y
John 14 Y
Fredrick 13 Y
Sarah 10 Y
Catherine 7 Y
HO107 862 1 4
North Clifton
Charles Welch 72 ag lab Y
Mary 61 N
Mary Spencer 24 N
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Heather DD
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It IS Brian 
Bryan Simpson Welch baptised Thorney 4 April 1819 to William and Ann. I see him in the 1881 born Wigsley (which apparently was a hamlet of Thorney).
I will have a hunt around 1851 for the children as soon as I get chance.
Heather
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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chrissiehope
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Hi Heather,
This is my second attempt at a reply - I must have hit a crucial button whilst typing last time, and the whole computer shut down !
Yes, I had found Bryan's baptism, together with the rest of the male members of the family. Thanks for the info - I wonder if Charles was a father or a brother ! The elderly relative (ER !) said William senios parents were Thomas & Barbara, but I haven't found any sign of them ! A quick search of IGI for William Welch b bet 1780 & 1800 in Notts, gives only one result - bap Apr 1783 son of Thomas & Elizabeth, Shelford; it also says he died in 1832, so clearly not the right one !!
I assume the Mary Spencer is a servant - the surname doesn't ring a bell !
Look forward to further info when you've had a minute !! I've now planted four hanging baskets !!!!
Cheers,
Chris
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Heather DD
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Well I'm glad the hanging baskets are coming along. A search of the area so far has only yielded this one ...
HO107 2137 62 14
Middlegate Newark
William Welch head 29 grocer Notts Wigsley
Sarah A wife 20 housekeeper Wigsley
Mary Rimmington ser 49 servant Newark
Henry W Latham asst 17 grocers journeyman Worksop
As for baptisms, the Notts FHS baptism index finds a William Welch baptised at North Clifton to Robt (no mother's name given) 10/09/1787. A further child Robert Bellamy Welch was baptised to Robert and Ann 10/12/1789.
I find a Robert baptised there to William and Mary 11/12/1762. Among his siblings is Charles baptised 05/10/1770. So IF this is your William, then the Charles of 1841 could be an uncle.
I think maybe you need to go back to ER and ask her sources - possibly she has researched parish records and has something we don't have on the indexes
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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