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m.sharp
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Caroline Annie Dorothy Leavens (Carry)
« on: Saturday 04 June 05 16:02 UTC (UK) »
I bet yr all sick of me by now BUT i'm still having no luck tracing  the birth of Carry Leavens.  Looked on all the paid sites and can only find her marriage!!!  Acc. to them she wasn't born or died. I'm tearing my hair out.    Her Father is named Henry (not Harry as in the 1901 census), she could come from Kent, Suffolk, Cambridge.  There is a Carry M. but thats not her.  She married Jack Collison in London in 1924 and they lived at Queen's Gate S.W.7 when they married, she was 25 yrs old and died in 1928. Hope u can help.  Thanx.
Margaret
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COLLISON; SENNITT; MONEY; GOTOBED; HITCH; LOWE;LANGFORD;LEAVENS: SENNITT(CAMBRIDGE)  LANE; GUDGE;BASHFORD(SURREY)  NEWMAN; SHARP;(MIDDLESEX)
COLLISON; DOWSING (SUSSEX: KENT) WYATT/EAST; CUTLER (BUCKS.)SENNETT/SENNITT: ASHTON: (CAMBRIDGE, CHELSEA, ISLINGTON, CAMBERWELL.)
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Re: Caroline Annie Dorothy Leavens (Carry)
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 04 June 05 18:52 UTC (UK) »
OK, what do we have?

All you know about Carry is what was on her marriage certificate?? Father: Henry dec'd. Did it give an occupation?  Who were the witnesses?

You've had no luck going through the GRO indexes. FreeBMD is fully transcribed for 1891-1905 (same thing as the GRO!). There's one Caroline Leavens in the index: born in Cambridge, with, by cross referencing the 1901 census where the dates match perfectly, a father Harry (a popular abbreviation of Henry). This does seem to be the obvious person, although the middle names don't tally. What does the the birth cert of this Carry show? How are you so sure that this is not the right Carry.

There is of course the possibility that Leavens has been mistranscribed in the GRO and the censuses, so they're all there under a different spelling. There are very few Leavens in either the censuses or the GRO index.

Your gut feeling is that she was from Cambs - there is only one Caroline Leavens born in Cambs (there is only one Caroline Leavens in the whole of the country!). She is of the right age and her father's name fits.

What else do you know about her?

Regards

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: Caroline Annie Dorothy Leavens (Carry)
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 05 June 05 10:42 UTC (UK) »
Hi David,
I dont have a birth cert. for her which is what i'm after to see who her parents are, her marriage cert. states her name as above, her Father was a labourer, the witnesses were Elsie May Madle and Harry Reynolds which i have also looked up.  She was pregnant with my Hubbys mother when she married so she has no profession and he was a footman at 180 Queens Gate SW7, where she also lived.  I need the birth cert. to verify the Father as Henry or Harry.  There is another Carry on Ancestry.com but dont want to pay (they're expensive) as it could just be a duplicate of the Carry Mary from the 1901 census which i have already.  Thanx for yr time and help.
Regards Margaret.
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COLLISON; SENNITT; MONEY; GOTOBED; HITCH; LOWE;LANGFORD;LEAVENS: SENNITT(CAMBRIDGE)  LANE; GUDGE;BASHFORD(SURREY)  NEWMAN; SHARP;(MIDDLESEX)
COLLISON; DOWSING (SUSSEX: KENT) WYATT/EAST; CUTLER (BUCKS.)SENNETT/SENNITT: ASHTON: (CAMBRIDGE, CHELSEA, ISLINGTON, CAMBERWELL.)
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Re: Caroline Annie Dorothy Leavens (Carry)
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 05 June 05 11:39 UTC (UK) »
Hi Margaret

I'm missing something here!

1901 census Cambridge
Carry Leavens aged 3 born Cambridge
father Harry Leavens general labourer

GRO index
Caroline Mary Leavens Cambridge March 1898

Reasonable to assume that these two Carry/Caroline's are the same person.

There are no other Carry/Caroline births in the GRO indexes.

It seems as though Caroline Mary is the one you're looking for - but you say you have the birth cert for the Carry from the census.  Have you checked the parish register of St Andrew the Less to see if she was christened there? You may find that she was registered as Caroline Mary but christened as Caroline Annie Dorothy, or she may merely have preferred to call herself Caroline Annie Dorothy.

Good luck

David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
m.sharp
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Re: Caroline Annie Dorothy Leavens (Carry)
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 05 June 05 12:55 UTC (UK) »
Hi David,
No, I haven't got the birth certificate of her, only her Marriage cert. Checked 1837 online etc., no birth or death!!!  BMD same.  Thanx anyway, never mind I wont give up tho.
Regards Margaret.
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COLLISON; DOWSING (SUSSEX: KENT) WYATT/EAST; CUTLER (BUCKS.)SENNETT/SENNITT: ASHTON: (CAMBRIDGE, CHELSEA, ISLINGTON, CAMBERWELL.)
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Re: Caroline Annie Dorothy Leavens (Carry)
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 05 June 05 13:23 UTC (UK) »
Hi Margaret,

I've taken a look at the 1891 census for Harry S Leavens...

22 York T, St Andrew the Less, Cambridge

Harry S Leavens, Head, 28, Gen Labourer, Cambridge
Annie Leavens, Wife, 29, Helper in Laundry, Cambridge
Harry S Leavens, Son, 9, Scholar, Cambridge
Thomas W Leavens, Son, 7, Scholar, Cambridge
Jessie S Leavens, Daughter, 5, Scholar, Cambridge
Ada M Leavens, Daughter, 2, Cambridge
Arthur F Leavens, Son, 3mths, Cambridge
P Hannah Moal?, Boarder, 27, M, Helper in Laundry, Yorks Middlegate
Walter Moal, Boarder, 1, Yorks Middlegate
New born baby, Boarder, 11 days, Cambridge

RG12/1284 Pg37

So, with Annie it seems to be leaning more and more towards this family...

Regards, Emma Wink
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Warner (Essex) Edgley (Suffolk) Blake & Sparrowhawk (Lambeth) Hall & Gibson (Co. Durham) Brown (Yorkshire)
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Re: Caroline Annie Dorothy Leavens (Carry)
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 05 June 05 13:25 UTC (UK) »
Name:    Leavens, Annie
Record Type:    Deaths
Age at death:    38
Quarter:    June
Year:    1900
District:    Cambridge (1837-1935) 
County:    Cambridgeshire
Volume:    3b
Page:    259

Regards, Emma Wink
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Warner (Essex) Edgley (Suffolk) Blake & Sparrowhawk (Lambeth) Hall & Gibson (Co. Durham) Brown (Yorkshire)
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Re: Caroline Annie Dorothy Leavens (Carry)
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 05 June 05 14:01 UTC (UK) »
Margaret

Who were the witnesses at her 1924 marriage? I have often found those to be a great help.

You do realise that Harry is the pet name for anyone called Henry?

Our own Prince Harry is really a Henry,so was my grandad(but he had far less money Grin)

Regards

Carol
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Re: Caroline Annie Dorothy Leavens (Carry)
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 05 June 05 14:11 UTC (UK) »
Hi Emma & Carol,
I know wot yr saying, and am gonna send for some more certs. and just hope they're the right ones so i shall be keeping everything X'd  Shocked  Thanx ever so for the info.  There is always one that prevents u goin further up the tree isn't there.  But hey, i shall persevere.  Thanx again.
Regards Margaret.
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COLLISON; DOWSING (SUSSEX: KENT) WYATT/EAST; CUTLER (BUCKS.)SENNETT/SENNITT: ASHTON: (CAMBRIDGE, CHELSEA, ISLINGTON, CAMBERWELL.)
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