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TREGANZA - Truro
« on: Sunday 05 June 05 22:20 BST (UK) »

Edith Treganza married Orlando John Bowden 10 June 1847 in St Helier Jersey.

She was from the Kenwyn area of Truro, according to her marriage certificate, the daughter of Samuel Treganza, a plasterer.

She may have been baptised 2 July 1820 in Truro - this being the only remotely possible baptism that I have found.

What I cannot find is any reference to Samuel Treganza!  I had - for a time - thought him to have been baptised 9 November 1777, the son of John and Edith - which nicely fitted with calling his daughter Edith  Wink

But ... I have since found the burial of Samuel Giles Treganza, son of John and Edith on 6 February 1784.

Has anyone come across these names in their searches in Cornwall - any help appreciated!
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Re: TREGANZA - Truro
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 07 June 05 21:09 BST (UK) »

Another thought has just occured about Samuel!!  Orlando and Edith's first child, Horatio, was born in Truro in 1848, and their next children in Jersey.  Did Edith return home to "Mum" for the birth of her first child?  Horatio was born in Bosvigo Lane, Kenwyn, Truro - I wonder if someone with access to the 1851 census could check to see if there are any Treganzas in the area then. 
I have checked the Cornwall Census On-line project, but Kenwyn is not yet available there.
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Re: TREGANZA - Truro
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 20 August 05 21:51 BST (UK) »

Hello, it may be something of a very long shot, but how about the variant name TREGENZA which is a given MIDDLE name of my uncle Walter Tregenza Lane. 

The Lane family married into the SAUNDERS family who lived in Truro for at least 8 years 1841 - 1851 when some of their children were born.

I wonder if there might be a family connection that brought them to Cornwall when the wife, Elizabeth Saunders came from Surrey?

Sorry to ramble, but it may just help.

Good luck

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Re: TREGANZA - Truro
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 21 August 05 10:08 BST (UK) »

Thanks for that!

Not sure about any connection, because I have not come across the Saunders or Lane names at all - but worth bearing in mind. 
What is certain is that earlier generations did spell their name with an E - Tregenza - I have finally tracked down the 1851 census showing Samuel and his wife Jane spelling their names that way, and living in Goodwives Lane Truro.  Samuel's birthplace on this census was given as St Mary's, and Jane's as St Winnow.
Further investigations show that Samuel was buried St Mary's Truro on 5 February 1871 aged 87, and Jane on 18 September 1859 aged 79; I have Samuel on the 1861 census, again in Truro.
An entry on the 1871 census shows Samuel and Jane's son in Sithney with another connection of mine, meaning that I am now sure that the Edith shown in my first post is the correct one - but absolutely nothing on Samuel and Jane ...!
I cannot find baptisms for them or their marriage - so one step forward, and several back - as usual with family history!
So if someone out there knows anything - I would be delighted to hear from them .... Smiley
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Re: TREGANZA - Truro
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 August 05 11:26 BST (UK) »

Hi,
Perhaps you are well ahead of me - but the 1841 census shows Samuel Tregenza 55 Plasterer at Kenwyn Street, Kenwyn, Truro with Jane, also 55, and children Edith 20, Charlotte and Laura both 15 - Dressmaker and Remale Servant respectively.
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Re: TREGANZA - Truro
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 August 05 11:37 BST (UK) »

Thanks Valan - I did have that census entry, but appreciate you taking the time and trouble to look.
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Re: TREGANZA - Truro
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 24 October 06 08:13 BST (UK) »

Hi, I was wondering if you had any information at all about the brother of Orlando Bowden named Henry Bowden born at St Helier, Jersey? Possibly Henry J Bowden? or if you know his occupation?
I gather that  first born, Horatio died in Pancras, London and have found the daughters, Caroline & Edith, both working in London but there is no mention of Henry in the 1871 Census anywhere and would like to find him.
I see Orlando is with his Uncle Samuel Tregenza and is a plasterer.  Do you know if John Bowden remarried after the death of Edith? He is  listed in the infirmary as a Widow.
Possible marriages for John Bowden Snr to a Rebecca-
1792 Jn BODEN m. Reb Morley, Derbyshire
1793 Jn BOWTEN m. Reb Barnard, Burnham on Crouch Essex
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Re: TREGANZA - Truro
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 24 October 06 13:00 BST (UK) »

Hi again, Thought I may as well post some snippets Re: Samuel Tregenza Jr/Bowden, which you probably already have.

Births Sept Q 1848  Bowden Horatio Truro 9  301
Deaths Jun Q 1856 Bowden Horatio Pancras 1b 19

1841 Census  Fore St Tregony St James
Samuel Tregenza 27 yrs Plasterer b. Truro
1861 Census Fore St Tregony
Samuel Tregenza 43 yrs Widow Grocer & Baker b. St Marys Truro
1871 - with Orlando Bowden at Porthleven

Married Dec Q 1859 Samuel Tregenza to Anne Dower Bodmin 5c 174
Died June Q 1861 Ann Tregenzer? Truro 5c 113

Edith Tregenza Chr 2 July 1820 Truro  ALL TO(Samuel & Jane)
Samuel Tregenza  10 June 1814 Truro
Caroline Tregenza 10 Dec 1815
Laura THOMAS Tregenza 25 Feb 1825 Truro

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Re: TREGANZA - Truro
« Reply #8 on: Friday 27 October 06 10:23 BST (UK) »

Hi Casey
Thanks for the interest and the various snippets of information!
To answer some of the questions you raised - Henry Edward Bowden, John's brother, is with the family in 1861, but I have found nothing else, except for a possible death in Clifton Gloucestershire in 1875 which I have never got around to checking.

John's sisters Caroline and Edith - Caroline does not appear to have married; I have her on all the census returns to 1901; Edith disappears after 1871, so may well have maried.

Horatio turns out to be two separate people!  The moral of that story is not to call your son Horatio!  The first one was born in Truro in1848 and died in London in 1855, they had a further son Horatio born 1855 who died in 1856.

John Bowden did remarry although I have not yet found the evidence of his marriage.  He appears on the 1881 census with his second wife Adelaide and a daughter Rosenia aged 12 - although I wonder if this is really Adelaide's daughter.  I also have him in 1891, and Adelaide as a widow in 1901.  I have not found his death yet though!

Samuel Tregenza junior married a Mary Ann Gerrans - sometime!!  She died in 1860 and was buried in Tregony.  I have the MI of her grave - the wife of Samuel Tregenza, and her father, mother and brother are buried with her.

But still not information on Samuel and Jane .....!!!

Thanks for your interest - if you come across anything else, I would be delighted to hear .......!!!
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Re: TREGANZA - Truro
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 26 February 08 05:06 GMT (UK) »

Hi,

Here is a link to the Tregenza website. Paul Tregenza has done a lot of research into the Tregenza name and you can download his book from this site.

http://www.tregenza.org/

Your Samuel the plasterer is there under Unconnected Family 33 (Truro/St Marys).

Hope this helps.

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Re: TREGANZA - Truro
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 26 February 08 18:06 GMT (UK) »

Thank you for that!
I have seen this family tree before - or something very similar - in the searchroom of the Cornwall Family History Society. 
It is the unconnected part that concerns me ....!!!
I cannot find any suitable baptism for Samuel, nor his marriage to Jane, and without Jane's maiden name, can make no headway with her either ...!!
Kind of you to take the trouble to reply to such an old post - very irritating for me to see the dates and realise I am no further forward ....!!
Thanks again!
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