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Rjudith
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Lookup request please Richardson Kirkby Thore
« on: Wednesday 08 June 05 22:23 BST (UK) »
Please help me locate Matthew Richardson b abt 1837/8/9 Kirkby Thore Westmorland.
All I know is that is what was said in 1901/91 census in Durham. In 81 he states Brough, Westmorland.
As I don't know those areas I am puzzled!

It is a possibility that his father was called Mark. Huh

Any information will be greatly appreciated.
Judith
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Re: Lookup request please Richardson Kirkby Thore
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 11 June 05 11:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Judith

Don't know if you already have some of this but here is everything I could find:

The IGI www.familysearch.org lists an baptism record extracted from the Bishop's Transcripts for Kirkby Thore.  It details a Matthew Richardson baptised 31 Mar 1839 the son of Mark & Mary Richardson.

FreeBMD lists a birth for Matthew Richardson registered Jul-Sep 1838 in East Ward reference Vol 25 Page 394.  You can use this to order his birth certificate from the GRO on-line at http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/.  This should confirm his father's name although I would recommend you try and track down his marriage certificate too to make sure that you are dealing with the same Matthew.

Genuki has a page on Kirkby Thore http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WES/KirkbyThore/index.htm#Census.  There is also a village called Brough in the area and it is possible that Matthew was born in one and baptised in another or that by 1881/91 he just couldn't recall where he was born exactly.

Probably also worth posting a specific thread asking for an 1841/1851/1861 census lookup for the family as it may give you details of brothers and sisters.

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Re: Richardson Kirkby Thore
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 15 June 05 08:02 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much Sue, a great amount of information. Thanks again. Judith
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Re: Lookup request please Richardson Kirkby Thore
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 16 June 05 14:04 BST (UK) »
If you follow the A66 from Penrith east across the country to Bowes/Barnard Castle then you would go through both Kirkby Thore and Brough.  Kirkby Thore is much nearer to Penrith and has a large cement works there now.  Brough was a flourishing market town but is now reduced to a very small place, bypassed, with only a couple of pubs and shops.  It has St Michael's church if I remember correctly.   Sometimes called Brough under Stainmore.
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Re: Lookup request please Richardson Kirkby Thore
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 16 June 05 14:59 BST (UK) »
As far as I can see you have two marriages to track down.  In 1881 he is married to Ann, age 38 born Hamsterley, with five children but by 1891 he is married to Mary age 49 born South Shields.   He has step children called Watt so one assumes he married a widow called Mary Watt.  Do you have Ann's death?
The only child with them from his 1881 family is John Thomas born c1876.   If it was not for him I would be concerned that you might have the wrong Matthew Richardson as there are an awful lot of them out there and Brough is not very close to Kirkby Thore but Jobs Hill and Crook, which are the two birth places given for John Thomas, are very close as far as I can tell.   Jobs Hill appears to be part of Crook.
I see that in 1901 the place of birth for Matthew is Yorkshire Kirkby Thore.   I cannot find him in 1861 or 71 as yet.   
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Re: Lookup request please Richardson Kirkby Thore
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 18 June 05 09:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Andrea, I had found that same Mathew in 81, 91 and 1901. Apart from John Thomas he also took his son Llewellyn b1885 in those census. This Llewellyn is my great Grandfather. Mary Watts was his step mum so I think maybe Ann died during childbirth? Mary's great grandson (?) I am in contact with via genes reunited! Mary was divorced from her husband John Watt and widowed from a Mr Horn born a Mary Sanderson! but really it is Ann I am after! I am quite new to this but you have picked out the same Matthew. I was also concerned that I had the wrong one. I have Llewellyn's original wedding cert. which placed him in Brandon in 1908 and that is how I tracked him and Matthew and John Thomas back to 1881. But I am putting my pound coins in a jar ready for Llewellyn's birth certificate! But like you I have been unable to track Matthew down in 1871, and have had no access to 1861.
Thanks for the information regarding Brough and Kirkby Thore.
Sue kindly gave me information regarding Matthew's christening etc and following that information I was emailed a chart taking Matthew back to his grandparents! But as I was/am unsure as to this Matthew being 'My' Matthew I took the information at face value. But both of you have placed the same man so surely we can't all be barking up the wrong tree.
The support is amazing many thanks. Do you think I get Llewellyn's birth cert then that will show his parents details to truelly confirm this information? Then I will be able to get Matthew and Ann's marriage? Do you agree this is the correct step?
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Judith
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Re: Lookup request please Richardson Kirkby Thore
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 19 June 05 18:52 BST (UK) »
Glad we have helped!   If you get the birth certificate it will give Ann's maiden name and then you have a much better chance of finding the marriage.    I would need to look at the census again - I have a vague feeling that I thought Llewellyn belonged to Mary but if you know she was his stepmother then that narrows down the timescale for Ann's death.
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Re: Lookup request please Richardson Kirkby Thore
« Reply #7 on: Monday 20 June 05 10:57 BST (UK) »
Now you come to mention it I am unsure as to who is Llewellyn's mother. Confused.
But I think I found that Mary and Matthew weren't married until 1890. And Llewellyn was born in 1885.
Thanks again
Judith
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Re:41, 51, 61 Lookup please Richardson Kirkby Thore DESPERATE NOW!!
« Reply #8 on: Monday 25 July 05 11:59 BST (UK) »
could anybody find Matthew in 41 51 61 or 71 PLEASE.
Tried all ways and can't find the little rascal!

I do believe in 41 he would be with his parents = Mark c12 jul 1801 church brough and Mary (todhunter)
possibly with a brother also named Mark Richardson.

mark & mary were married 5 may 1838

I have been advised to work up the census (instead of down in this case) to see if all info matches!!!

desperate now
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Re: Lookup request please Richardson Kirkby Thore
« Reply #9 on: Monday 25 July 05 18:50 BST (UK) »
I cannot find him in 1861.   Perhaps you ought to put on a new post and ask for someone to go to Kendal Record Office.  The 1851 index booklets are on the open shelves there so should not take long to search.   1841 will be on film so takes longer.   Ring the office and ask if they can look - cheaply!    I have been there in the past when on holiday up there and they are very helpful.   Have you tried the Westmorland Look Up Exchange? - someone may have the appropriate books and do a look up for you.
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Re: Lookup request please Richardson Kirkby Thore
« Reply #10 on: Monday 25 July 05 20:34 BST (UK) »
Thanks Andrea, I will try the kendal office. Thanks for trying in 1861 also.
do you have the addy for the westmorland lookup exchange addy please?
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Re: Lookup request please Richardson Kirkby Thore
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 26 July 05 09:01 BST (UK) »
There will be a link from www.genuki.org or try putting it in Google.     I think there is one for Westmorland.  there certainly is for Sussex!
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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 07 September 05 19:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Judith,

Did you have Richardson ancestors still living in Kirkby Thore in the 1930's. A Mrs Richardson who was a widow who had been a farmers wife, Agnes her daughter, a son I think Jack, another daughter living in London & one in Scotland.
Let me know if you did.

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Cumberland -  Armstrong Little Nixon Richardson Pearson Watson Braithwait
Westmorland - Richardson Dent Nicholson Hanson Kersey/Casey Smith Heigh
Durham - Reed Smith Reay Hammond Metcalf Bell
Thompson Armstrong Branford Parkin Heaton Oates
Northumberland - Nixon Johnson Armstrong Branford  Thompson
Dumfrieshire - Armstrong Bell Halliday Carruthers 
Yorkshire - Richardson Branford Siddle
Roxburghshire - Jackson Elliot Armstrong
Fife - Adamson Gosman Johnstone Brown
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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 07 September 05 19:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Deborah,

Is it possible to look up any Richardsons in these Returns for the Cliburn area and the Morland area.

Thank you.

Judy

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Cumberland -  Armstrong Little Nixon Richardson Pearson Watson Braithwait
Westmorland - Richardson Dent Nicholson Hanson Kersey/Casey Smith Heigh
Durham - Reed Smith Reay Hammond Metcalf Bell
Thompson Armstrong Branford Parkin Heaton Oates
Northumberland - Nixon Johnson Armstrong Branford  Thompson
Dumfrieshire - Armstrong Bell Halliday Carruthers 
Yorkshire - Richardson Branford Siddle
Roxburghshire - Jackson Elliot Armstrong
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Re: Lookup request please Richardson Kirkby Thore
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 08 September 05 08:30 BST (UK) »
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