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1869 Salford - likely burial place - Church or municipal?
« on: Thursday 09 June 05 18:21 BST (UK) »

I'm trying to find the burial place of one of my ancestors, in the hope that several other family members may be buried with him.

He lived at various addresses in the Blackfriars/Greengate/Chapel St area of Salford and died in 1869 in Salford Dispensary

On a flying visit to Manchester Central Library, I searched (unsuccessfully) the burial registers for St Phillips and Christ Church.

So my question is...

is there another church burial ground he could be in, or is he more likely to be in Weaste Cemetery (which opened in 1857)?

There seemed to be very few burials at the 2 churches I looked at, during the 2nd half of the 19th century. Did most people go to the Municipal cemeteries at that time?

(I don't mind paying for a grave search, but I'd like to think I had a good chance of getting a result.)
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Re: 1869 Salford - likely burial place - Church or municipal?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 09 June 05 21:33 BST (UK) »

Why not give Weaste Cemetery a ring?  I did that with Southern Cemetery, Manchester and they were really helpful - not only gave me the location of  the grave, but told me who else was buried there, who had paid for it, and that there was no headstone!

http://www.salford.gov.uk/weastecemetery

I've just checked this site - and it seems they charge now - you have probably been there ...!  However, you could always try anyway ....... Wink
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Re: 1869 Salford - likely burial place - Church or municipal?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 11 June 05 12:12 BST (UK) »

Yes, it can be very useful to have a grave serach. I had one done on another set of ancestors, and discovered an extra person there who wasn't listed on the headstone.

I think what I really need to know is whether there was a reason they might have chosen a cemetery rather than a church.

Was it cheaper?

Were all the churchyards full?

Was there a new law regarding burials?

I've also read about some scandal in Salford around that time concerning a churchyard being dug up and built over (possibly King St?)
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Re: 1869 Salford - likely burial place - Church or municipal?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 11 June 05 14:37 BST (UK) »

Hi skb

Grin Does this mean you will want me to go grave hunting and picture taking again in Weaste Grin

Regards
Ken
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Re: 1869 Salford - likely burial place - Church or municipal?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 11 June 05 14:39 BST (UK) »

Hi skb

Grin Does this mean you will want me to go grave hunting and picture taking again in Weaste Grin

Regards
Ken

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Re: 1869 Salford - likely burial place - Church or municipal?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 11 June 05 14:57 BST (UK) »

Ken, that would be great if I actually knew where the grave was. (I'm sure people on this site must think I have a Weaste Cemetery fixation Embarrassed)

Do you visit regularly, if I ever do find them?
(Maybe you've got a Weaste Cemetery fixation, too Grin)
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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 11 June 05 20:31 BST (UK) »

skb

Weaste is about 30 minutes drive from my home, but it gives me a good excuse to visit my family plot containing my granfather, gt granfather, gt granmother, uncles, aunties . I just which I could have met from  Sad

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Re: 1869 Salford - likely burial place - Church or municipal?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 14 June 05 15:09 BST (UK) »

Hi,
Regarding grave searches in Salford, if you go to Agecroft Cemetery in office hours you can look through their grave indexes for Agecroft, Weaste (& Peel Green I think). They don't charge either. Also what might be worth a try is Blackley cemetery, who will let you use their office to search the indexes. They also dig out the grave receipts, all for free. If you knew this already at least I've practiced my typing!


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Re: 1869 Salford - likely burial place - Church or municipal?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 14 June 05 17:41 BST (UK) »

Mike,

I didn't know that, so it is all useful information - although I don't get to Salford very often these days.

Thanks.
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Re: 1869 Salford - likely burial place - Church or municipal?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 14 June 05 18:39 BST (UK) »

Hi Folks

Agecroft will do a free one name lookup, but if you want the list of people buried they charge £10, thats what happened to me.
Mike is right about Blackley, room, books all free.

Regards
Ken
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Re: 1869 Salford - likely burial place - Church or municipal?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 15 June 05 16:29 BST (UK) »

Just had another thought. I am in a similar situation with a relative who died in 1915 near Langworthy Road. I assumed she would be buried in Weaste or Agecroft. Agecroft did a search for me but didn't find her (I had the death date so it was straightforward). They suggested trying the Family History dept at Salford Museum (on the Crescent), so that might be something for you to try.

If you look at maps of Salford at that time there were many churches with grave land that are just not there anymore, but apparently the musuem has indexes. I haven't been yet though. The guy you need is Tim Ashcroft, he's very helpful.

Mike
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Re: 1869 Salford - likely burial place - Church or municipal?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 01 May 06 00:08 BST (UK) »

Hi there,
If your ancestors were catholic try St Josephs cemetery Moston Lane North manchester. I had Salford ancestors that I found there as apparently that was where many Salford residents went when deceased. I can't find the number, sorry, but I recall the gentleman at the other end being very helpful with the plot number and other occupants etc. There was I am sure some project underway to index the burials there. The MLFHS may be able to help with that.
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Re: 1869 Salford - likely burial place - Church or municipal?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 01 May 06 00:38 BST (UK) »

Thanks for the suggestion midmum. I always assumed they were CofE or Non-conformist, but I realise I don't know for certain what denomination they were, so it might be worth a try.

Mike and Ken - sorry, I missed your replies at the time they were posted - also good suggestions.
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« Reply #13 on: Monday 01 May 06 09:39 BST (UK) »

Hi skb

Same offer as before - I live round the corner from St Josephs so if you need help/pic's etc lets me know.

Regards
Ken

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Re: 1869 Salford - likely burial place - Church or municipal?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 07 May 06 15:54 BST (UK) »

 
Hi There,
             you could try this. Do Google search for SALFORD Geneaolgy,

You should come up with a Salford site called Salford Roots.

nothing to do with this site.Or MANchester 2003.Both these are good sites.

It has a list of all the churches and burials of Salford from all salford/Greengate

etc.

Burials & baptisms are also listed from 1800.s  ALso  since 1974 a lot of the surrounding areas wwere amalgamated and now come under SAlford.

AS do Eccles etc.

The Eccles PArish Church graveyard was grassed over in 1966.

They stopped all burials there  in 1953.SOme of my relations were the last to be intered in that church yard.

All interments then were done at PEEL GREEN Cemetry In Peelgreen ECCLES.


Hope this is of some help to you.


Regards Ecclescake.
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