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« on: Friday 10 June 05 07:00 BST (UK) »

Hi!

I am new to this forum. I would be thrilled if anyone is kind enough to assist me in completing missing information in my family tree.

I know my Great-Grandfather Matthew Connor had a wife and family in Stockton-on-Tees at the turn of 20th Century. I am trying to locate the death certificates of Matthew Connor and his wife. The problem no one in my family knows this information because my Grandfather left the town and his family behind in England to live in Northern Ireland. He never shared any information about his family and he actually went to his grave without saying anything about his family!

And another problem is that my uncle and I have been trying to locate the birthplace of my Great-Grandfather Matthew Connor. Was it in Ireland or England? We do not know where to start off.

We do know this is that we do have Connors left behind in Stockton-on-Tees. How we can track them down and to set contacts with them?

I am dying to know why there were many Irish families in this area. I think it is a bit odd that Irish would go to England due to the historical reasons.

I welcome any helpful advices or help in this matter!

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Tees

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Re: How to look for the info on Matthew Connor & His Family in Stockon-on-Tees?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 10 June 05 11:45 BST (UK) »

I have looked at the 1901 census for Stockton on Tees. There are 8 households of Connors, none headed or including a Matthew.
When you find the death certificate of Matthew, you will find his approximate birthdate, and can start looking for him then in the 1891 census.
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Re: How to look for the info on Matthew Connor & His Family in Stockon-on-Tees?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 11 June 05 18:59 BST (UK) »

Tees,

When you say turn of the 20th century, I have assumed you meant the end of the C19th and the beginning of C20th. Have you an ides that ir was before or after 1900 ?

You include Matthew's name but none of the names of the rest of the family !

There were Connor families from Ireland in Stockton as early as 1861... ie Michael/Sarah, John/Ann

The marriage of a Matthew Connor was registered within the Stockton District Register Office in the September Quarter of 1900 ( so he married July, Aug or Sept).

And now to your question about why there were so many so many Irish "in this area"

Most libraries have books covering this very involved situation.
Basically conditions ( e.g. food and work) were very difficult in Ireland... and there were plenty work opportunities in UK.
( Industrial Revolution and all that... coal mining, railways, steel, shipbuilding, etc.)

The Irish graduated to all industrial areas all over England Scotland and Wales, for work.

But not only the Irish.... The harvests in East Anglia in mid 1800s were failing, so many Norfolk and Suffolk agricultural workes migrated to Industrial areas to become miners, furnace labourers, etc... and from Staffs, etc...

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« Reply #3 on: Monday 13 June 05 03:07 BST (UK) »

Hi Dixymick,

Wow! You are truly good at this stuff as you already were one step ahead of me when I was going to post up the information regarding the marriage of Matthew Connor.

I am going to add more information in few minutes.

My answer to your question: I am referring to 1900. Am I incorrect to call it at the turn of century?

Thanks for your interest in this subject. I welcome any help here.

Kind regards,

Tees
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Re: How to look for the info on Matthew Connor & His Family in Stockon-on-Tees?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 13 June 05 03:24 BST (UK) »

Hi Minor & Dixymick,

According to what I have on Matthew Connor and his wife.

The name of his wife is Jane Elizabeth Willans or Williams nee Thompson.

They were married on 21st July 1900 and resided at 3 East Street Stockon on Tees.

Matthew Connor's father is Thomas Connor (deceased) at the time of marriage.

How do I find out more information on Matthew Connor's birthplace? Matthew and Jane Elizabeth's dates of death?

I know my Grandfather, Peter Lawrence, was born 14th August 1908 and he lived at the address of 31 Metcalfe Street, Norton, Stockon.

I have tried the free records but it did not help much because it does not match to what I have (the information).

Awaiting any helpful information or advice.

Hope this information is helpful.

Thank you so much for replying to my post. Smiley

Regards,

Tees
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Re: How to look for the info on Matthew Connor & His Family in Stockon-on-Tees?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 13 June 05 03:28 BST (UK) »

Minor,

Forgive me for forgetting the age of Matthew Connor. He was (supposedly) 40 years old according to the marriage certificate I have.

Kind regards,

Tees
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Re: How to look for the info on Matthew Connor & His Family in Stockon-on-Tees?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 13 June 05 10:14 BST (UK) »

Tees,

was Jane 28 yrs old when she married Matthew. What was her dad's name ( I think their marriage was registered with her as a Willans).

It is interesting that there are no good candidates for them on Census 1901, in Stockton area, hardly 6/7 months after their marriage. But there was a 39 yr old Matthew Connor in Darlington ( 12 miles away ! )... he born in South Shields.

( I wonder if your grandad dipped his feet in the Norton duck pond ? )

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 13 June 05 10:51 BST (UK) »

Tees,

was Jane 28 yrs old when she married Matthew. What was her dad's name ( I think their marriage was registered with her as a Willans).

Her Dad's name is George Thompson. Interesting thing is that when my uncle was researching on her-he was able to get a birth certificate of hers with a help from someone in the Stockon on Tees because there were a notation on the marriage certificate that her age was erroreous which had been rectified by presenting her birth certificate. She was 26 years old at the time of marriage.  As to her last name, Willans-on the marriage certificate-it stated she was a widow. Her previous husband has passed away after only 5 or 6 years of marriage.  It seems that her Dad, George Thompson, was a lounge keeper or was it a barkeeper-could not remember what it was in Stockon on Tees. Mr Thompson resided at Albion Street.

It is interesting that there are no good candidates for them on Census 1901, in Stockton area, hardly 6/7 months after their marriage. But there was a 39 yr old Matthew Connor in Darlington ( 12 miles away ! )... he born in South Shields.

Wondering why the census did not count Matthew Connor and his wife?

Is South Shields in same vincity? Does the census list his occuption? His occuption was General Labourer.

Do you think we have a same Matthew Connor who supposedly living in Darlington?

( I wonder if your grandad dipped his feet in the Norton duck pond ? )

Ha....I do not know anything about that. Ha...For Grandad did not share anything about his family-he spent much of his life in the Army and was rarely at the home. When the Second World War ended, he returned home and had no time for his children as he must work hard to support his large family across a wee pond in N. Ireland!

Can you imagine that almost all of my Dad's family were shocked to learn that Grandad was born in England at the time of his death? He never mentioned such! All the times, my family assumed he was born in Ireland.

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Re: How to look for the info on Matthew Connor & His Family in Stockon-on-Tees?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 13 June 05 10:55 BST (UK) »

Mr Dixon,

I appreciate the new information-- hopefully, we could steer into the right direction so I can locate the death certificates or any information on their dates of death and where it was taken a place.

Do you have any helpful advice for me or should I kept guessing until I hit on right year?

Hopefully, that information you had on Matthew Connor is a right Matthew Connor.

Thanks,

Tees
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« Reply #9 on: Monday 13 June 05 10:56 BST (UK) »

Mr Dixon,

I appreciate the new information-- hopefully, we could steer into the right direction so I can locate the death certificates or any information on their dates of death and where it was taken a place.

Do you have any helpful advice for me or should I kept guessing until I hit on right year?

Hopefully, that information you had on Matthew Connor is a right Matthew Connor.

Thanks,

Tees
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Re: How to look for the info on Matthew Connor & His Family in Stockon-on-Tees?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 14 June 05 12:20 BST (UK) »

Tees,

Don't you be "inking" anything into your tree just yet.... all we are looking at are just candidates,... more corroboration needed.

* Matthew and Jane E married 21 July 1900, giving 3 East St, Stockton as residence ( did they both give the same address ? )

On Census 1901 ( taken April) Alf and Sarah Henderson and family are in 3 East Street...... No Connors in the near vicinity?Huh.

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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 14 June 05 17:31 BST (UK) »

Tees,

Don't you be "inking" anything into your tree just yet.... all we are looking at are just candidates,... more corroboration needed.

Now I am starting to see how you work with the information before we are certain we are talking about the same person(s).

* Matthew and Jane E married 21 July 1900, giving 3 East St, Stockton as residence ( did they both give the same address ? )

Yes, both of them gave the same address. It seems that they were not married in the church. Possibly eloped without having a blessing from Jane E's father, George Thompson. I am not certain about this-just guessing. I think I need to search the marriage records at one of the churches in the area but I do not know which church they may be married so we can be certain about the information (?).

On Census 1901 ( taken April) Alf and Sarah Henderson and family are in 3 East Street...... No Connors in the near vicinity?Huh.

Interesting! in Stockon-on-Tees? Would my scanning their marriage certificate be any help to you?

What about next Census? Can we look it up in that to see if we can find out anything about the couple based on the information of my Grandfather's birthplace?

Now I feel as if we are going deeper in the mystery....

Michael Dixon




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