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Topic: Clocaenog/Melin-y-Wig (Read 1472 times)
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Peterej
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John
It is worth looking at the GENUKI site as below although this does not give many of the answers. Melyn-y-wig is actually in between Derwen, Bettws GG and Gwyddelwern and I cannot recall if there was/is a Chapel.
Denbighshire County Council have produced an excellent brochure titled 'Enjoy Medieval Denbighshire' (it at least used to be free). This makes reference to Churches and Chapels in Denbighshire although the information refers to a large extent to the Medieval period. I cannot see a Church/chapel in Melyn-y-wig but there are references to the other towns and others in the vicinity. I would have though it worth speaking to the Council archivist and then maybe to the respective Chapel organisations. Clwyd family history society may also provide worthwhile information.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/
http://www.clwydfhs.org.uk/index.shtml
http://www.denbighshire.gov.uk/ll/LifeLong.nsf/($All)/A3812426165ABD4D80256FB7005391B8?OpenDocument
Please note the correct spelling of Melyn-y-wig and Clocaenog just in case you are surfing the web.
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Peterej
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I should also suggested the National Library of Wales
http://www.llgc.org.uk
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Rachel Bowen
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Hello, There is a chapel in Melyn y wig, it is opposite the old school and was still used about 3 years ago. I lived just outside the village for 5 years until 1984.
It is a typical Welsh chapel. simple and plain.
There is also a chapel in Clocaenog.
You can find photographs of both villages on the Frith postcard sites. There is one which shows the chapel in Melin y wig, but it doesn't show the chapel very clearly.
Best of luck, there is also a chapel in the next village towards Cerrig y drudion (Bettws Gwerfyl Goch) Bettws meaning bead house, so there must have been a church or cell of some description long before the present chapel. The name of Melin y Wig means the mill in the wood.
Sincerely, Rachel Bowen
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Rachel Bowen
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Glad the info is of some use. Sorry, I typed 'bead' house instead of 'bede' house. They were small places for prayer in between larger churches and chapels - in case you don't already know. Possibly named after 'the Venerable Bede' an 8th century monk and historian. I am sure Google will come up with information about him if you want to look.
I'll try to think of the names of someone who could give you more information about the chapel.
Unfortunately many of the people who lived there when I did may well have died.
Sincerely,
Rachel Bowen
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Rachel Bowen
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As far as Clocaenog is concerned, you could contact Michelle Moneypenny - She is French, but speaks excellent English - her husband is a painter and decorator and they live in Clocaenog, in what I think was the old post office. Moneypenny shouldn't be too difficult a name to find in the on-line telephone directory. Michelle wouldn't know anything about the chapel I don't think, but could put you in touch with someone who could.
It is really difficult to think of the names of people in Melin Y Wig, as I knew them by nick-names - very common in Wales and particularly so in that part of N.Wales. Gwil Tai Teg isn't going to help you. Gwilym lives in a farm called Tai Teg (which means the pretty houses) I never knew what his surname was. We were known as Pook T'Isa - even the name of our house, which had been there for 400 years had been shortened from Ty Isaf (Lower House) (Pook is my married name).
Most of the people I knew by those sort of names.
What you could do would be to write to the chapel and hope that someone would open the letter and help you with information. If you could find someone to write in Welsh for you, it would be good, as the area and the chapel are almost completely Welsh-speaking.
If you can't, they can all speak English, if somewhat haltingly at times, but don't let them think that anyone said that, or they would be highly offended.
Chapel is 'Y capel', and the preacher is 'Y parch'. and the correct name of the village is Melin Y Wig. I am not sure which county it is in now, as they change so often - it used to be Merionethshire. Lord Dafydd Elllis Thomas used to be the M.P. He is now something high up in the Welsh Assembly. I never knew what denomination the chapel was, it wasn't Baptist. I'll have a look on the net and see what I can find out.
Sincerely,
Rachel Bowen
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Rachel Bowen
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Hello again John Ashley,
This is what I found about Melin-Y-wig on the net.
community
Organisation Melinywig Community Centre
Contact Name Oswyn Williams
Contact Address Islwyn, Melinywig,
Contact Town Corwen
Contact Post Code LL21 9RE
Contact Phone No. 01490 460 339
E-Mail
Venue
Venue Address
Venue Town Melinywig
Venue Post Code
Facilities suitable for: Wheelchair users / Prams, Guide Dogs Welcome, Disabled toilets available
Explanation Various organisations hold monthly meetings ; W.I meetings ; Chapel Society; also concerts, Bingo nights, Whist Drives etc Annual General Meeting in May. Available every day for hire.
Meeting Day
Time
Input Date 22/11/2004
Web Address
Pwnc cymuned
Cymdeithas Canolfan Gymdeithasol Melinywig
Enw'r Cysylltiad Oswyn Williams
Cyfeiriad y Cysylltiad Islwyn, Melinywig,
Tref y Cysylltiad Corwen
Côd Post y Cysylltiad LL21 9RE
Rhif Ffon y Cysylltiad 01490 460 339
E-bost
Oswyn used to be the headmaster of the primary school in the village until it closed and 'merged with the primary school in the next village, the name of his house is Isfryn and it is right next tothe chapel in Melin-Y-Wig.
He will be very helpful. Tell him Rachel Pook formerly of Ty Isaf gave you the info.
(I use my maiden name for all professional purposes.)
Sincerely, Rachel Bowen
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Rachel Bowen
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Glad to be of help,
I loved living in Melin-y-wig - it is a paradise, but job possibilities are limited - now with the internet and e-mail it could be posible to live there and work at home, but it wasn't then.
Sincerely,
Rachel Bowen
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iolanthe
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Hi Rachel
I've been reading the messages about Melin-y-wig with interest as I have just received a copy of a death certificate (1849) for my G G G Grandfather, Humphrey Davies. In the 1841 census he is shown as a farmer from Ty Isaf, Gwyddelwern, which appears on the death certificate as Melin-y-wig, as found by the Registrar from Ruthin.
After his death, his family was still farming at that address in 1851 with his wife Elizabeth in charge, 1861, 1871 and 1881, with his son John Davies, sister Mary Jones and her family in residence, 1891 and 1901 with Humphrey Davies' grandson Thomas Jones (Mary's son) looking after Ty Isaf.
Does this, in your experience, have any connection with your family history? Have we found the correct Ty Isaf? I'd be very pleased to hear your opinion!
Iolanthe
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Aberystwyth: Jenkins, Jones, Davies
Merionethshire: Roberts, Williams, Davies
Monmouthshire: Jenkins, Lewis, Evans, Jones, Rees
Glamorgan: Roberts, Lewis
Breconshire: Jenkins, Jones
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iolanthe
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Hi Rachel, again
I've just come back from a visit to North Wales and we drove over the mountain from Gwyddelwern to Melin-y-Wig to look for Ty Isaf, which I didn't manage to find. We must have taken the wrong road out as I can find it on a map!
I'm still trying to find something out about its history as my Davies ancestors farmed there in the 19th century. I'd be grateful for any snippets of information to add to my family history. When did your family live there? Are you related directly to the Davies family, or Thomas Jones?
Many thanks
Iolanthe
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Aberystwyth: Jenkins, Jones, Davies
Merionethshire: Roberts, Williams, Davies
Monmouthshire: Jenkins, Lewis, Evans, Jones, Rees
Glamorgan: Roberts, Lewis
Breconshire: Jenkins, Jones
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polidor
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Hi all,
I've been reading these posts with interest also. Quite a few of my 'oldies' were born in Tai Teg, Melin y Wig. I understand that some family members are buried in Melin y Wig chapel cemetery.
The following were all born there--- from 1868 onwards.
Mary Catherine Hughes
Edward Hughes
Elizabeth Ann Hughes
Henry Hughes, m to Dora Wynne, both buried there
Margaret Jane Hughes
Dorothy Eleanor Hughes
William Hughes
Alice Winifred Hughes
A number of the Wynne family were also born in Melin y Wig at Pentre, which i am assuming was the name of their home?
I've also come across a 'Davies' in the family connected with Melin y Wig somewhere but can't find him amongst my notes at the moment
I shall watch this space !!!!! Poli
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