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SWITZERLAND: Orth from Switzerland to Middlesbrough
« on: Saturday 11 June 05 16:47 BST (UK) »

Question relating to Emil Orth who appears on 1891 Middlesbrough census as born Switzerland, Naturalised British Subject when he marries into our Bonner family.  He was a sailor then a gaslamp lighter, his father was Jackes/Jacques Orth.

Can anyone adise me about the process of becoming a British subject back in 1891?  Could he have attended the Seamen's mission in Middlesbrough as he must have lived somewhere before he married Sarah Bonner?  Where are the records for the Seamen's mission?  What were the links between Switzerland and Middlesbrough?  Would there have to be an annoucement in the press about him becoming "naturalized", what does the term refer to?
Any ideas?
Gareth
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Re: Orth from Switzerland to Middlesbrough
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 11 June 05 16:57 BST (UK) »

Hi Gareth,

look up the thread on Naturalisation here on this board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,130042.0.html
and any other threads with Naturalisation or Aliens in the title

See also the Book-link in the "Immigrant Resources" board.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,45248.0.html
and
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,48920.0.html

You'll then know all we know at the moment  Grin

If he was naturalised, then his details must be at TNA, Kew.

Good luck
Bob
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Re: Orth from Switzerland to Middlesbrough
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 11 June 05 17:05 BST (UK) »

Given that this is the World Wide Web....you may be reading this in Switzerland
does anyone in Switzerland recognise a Jackes/Jacques Orth who had a son called Emil Orth who was a sailor that came to and settled in Middlesbrough about 1891?
Jackes/Jacques was shown as a Gentleman on the marriage certificate.
Please get in touch if you do, maybe you decend from an Uncle Emil or a Great Great Grandfather called Jackes Orth if you are of Swiss decent?
If only I knew what part of Switerland he came from or the ship he travelled on that would be something.
thanks
Gareth
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KEMP - Middlesbrough/Southport/Ainderby Quernhow/Kilburn/Sutton/North Riding
BONNER - Middlesbrough/Walsall/Escombe/South Hylton/Westoning
TAYLOR/ORTH - Middlesbrough/Southport
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Re: Orth from Switzerland to Middlesbrough
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 11 June 05 17:32 BST (UK) »

Thanks for your reply, great idea - have contacted national Archives by email to see if they will do research for me on any documents they have,
nothing comes up in my initial search using their site.
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Re: Orth from Switzerland to Middlesbrough
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 11 June 05 17:47 BST (UK) »

hi
heidi [user name] might be able to help you.
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Re: Orth from Switzerland to Middlesbrough
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 12 June 05 10:25 BST (UK) »

Gareth - a little bit about researching Swiss families:

First of all, Swiss nationals are considered to be citizens of a specific town/village in Switzerland where their family is first recorded.  This place of origin is handed down from father to child, and in the past a woman lost her father's origin upon marriage and acquired her husband's.  (It's a little more flexible now.)  ALL vital records for a Swiss national are recorded at their place of origin, regardless of where birth/marriage/death occurred.

Concrete example:  my husband was born in La Chaux-de-Fonds and married in England, but all the records are in Interlaken, which holds the books for the village of Lauterbrunnen where his family originates.  In Swiss law, I am a citizen of Lauterbrunnen, as our our children, even though none of us was born there.

Sooo...  Ask your local library to get hold of the Swiss Surname Book (published in English under the title "Swiss Surnames: a Complete Register" by Picton Press), and look up the name Orth.  If you're lucky, there will only be one place of origin listed.  You can then contact the register office there with all the details you have - father's name, approx date of birth based on census info, etc - and they should be able to help you.  There may be a small charge - they may also ask for proof that you're related.  When you know the place of origin, post it here, and I'll look up the address of the register office.

Hope this helps!

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Re: SWITZERLAND: Orth from Switzerland to Middlesbrough
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 12 June 05 19:14 BST (UK) »

Thanks Rambler thats a great piece of advice, I just hope my library will be prepared to order the book unless of course I can get it on Amazon.
This really points me in the right direction
regards Gareth
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Re: SWITZERLAND: Orth from Switzerland to Middlesbrough
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 12 June 05 20:13 BST (UK) »

Hope you can get hold of it - afraid we're not currently living in Switzerland, so don't have access to a copy.  I did look Orth up in our Dictionnaire Historique et Biographique de la Suisse, which lists lots of Swiss families, but there's no mention, unfortunately.

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CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton      
LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton
MAY: Caulfield, Griffin      
SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory      
SOM: Dowding, James, Jones

Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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