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toddy
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Hanged in Duke St Prison
« on: Tuesday 14 June 05 10:32 UTC (UK) »

One of my relations Patrick Leggett was hanged at Duke St Prison in 1902 for the murder of his wife Sarah Jane . I recently went to the National Archives in Edinburgh and got the case files and also collected all the newspaper articles about the trial at the time. I believe he was buried within the walls of the prison after the execution.
I have been told that when the prison was knocked down in the fifties the bodies buried there where removed elsewhere.
Can anyone confirm this story and also the whereabouts of the re-burial?
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Re: Hanged in Duke St Prison
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 14 June 05 12:48 UTC (UK) »

Try contacting the webmasters at http://www.lib.gcal.ac.uk/heatherbank/   (This is part of Glasgow Caledonian University) its being set up as a virtual museum of "Social Work" and they have appear to have various resources regarding the prisons in Scotland and may be able to point you in the right direction.

PS if you haven't seen a photo of the prison there is one, circa 1909, at
http://www.theglasgowstory.com/image.php?inum=TGSG00016
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Re: Hanged in Duke St Prison
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 14 June 05 13:51 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for the info.  I tried to email the webmaster but my emails keep getting returned!!   Huh I'll try again later.  again thanks  Grin
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Re: Hanged in Duke St Prison
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 14 June 05 16:10 UTC (UK) »

I don't know if this was the one you tried but its the contact address for the curator who is responsible to the University for the site

E-mail

A.Ramage[at]gcal.ac.uk
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Re: Hanged in Duke St Prison
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 22 September 09 14:13 UTC (UK) »

Toddy, if you're still there after all this time, I think  hanged people's bodies were buried in quicklime, there would be nothing left? the rubble from the prison was dumped at Frankfield Loch making up what's now Strathclyde Uni's playing fields, Millirston...Skoosh.
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Re: Hanged in Duke St Prison
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 22 September 09 15:01 UTC (UK) »

Aha!  According to last night's Silent Witness, quicklime acts as a preservative for bodies.

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Re: Hanged in Duke St Prison
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 22 September 09 15:17 UTC (UK) »

Hi
Dont believe everything you see on Silent Witness, there are plenty of sites on the net saying prisoners when buried were covered in quicklime so they  would disintegrate quickly

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Re: Hanged in Duke St Prison
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 22 September 09 17:49 UTC (UK) »

Hi ricky

Check out the section on Corpse Disposal in here....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Calcium_oxide

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Re: Hanged in Duke St Prison
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 22 September 09 18:15 UTC (UK) »

Hi Hibee

It also says on that site

 I would think quicklime would actiually help preserve a body. It seems to me that it would suck water out of the body, then slowly absorb carbon dioxide from the air to a crust of calcium carbonate.

Thing is when your buried 6 feet deep, you dont get a lot of air Huh

Also on the site
A more famous murder: http://www.familytrail.com/crippen/DrCrippen2.html The remains had not rotted away because they were sprinkled with slaked lime, a chemical which preserves flesh. Apparently the killer had intended to douse the remains with quicklime, which destroys flesh, but he had carelessly applied the wrong chemical.

Looks to me the site is saying two different things, one part says it dont destroy the flesh, the next it says's it do's Huh

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Re: Hanged in Duke St Prison
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 22 September 09 18:52 UTC (UK) »

Hi ricky

There is a substantial amount of "air" in soil, even at 6 feet under.  This enables aerobic organisms to thrive at that depth.

I am trying to find the most authoratative document on the subject of bodies and quicklime......one where they have not confused quicklime with slaked lime.

Try the foot of page 24 in here....

http://www.paho.org/english/dd/ped/DeadBodiesBook-ch2.pdf

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Re: Hanged in Duke St Prison
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 22 September 09 20:37 UTC (UK) »

So Guys,  might not the quicklime be to destroy smells & pathogens, in the close, overcrowded confines of a prison, the practise of burying bodies under church floors had been discontinued due to the smell & threat to health (except for embalmed toffs). Have you considered that the bodies might  still be undisturbed in one of the green patches inside the Ladywell scheme?....Scoosh.
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Re: Hanged in Duke St Prison
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 24 September 09 13:15 UTC (UK) »

Thanks to all.
I got an article from one of the newspapers at the time and it said he was buried within the walls of the prison immediatley after the hanging and "his body covered with lime shells"

Toddy
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Re: Hanged in Duke St Prison
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 24 September 09 16:46 UTC (UK) »

There used to be a children's song about Duke Street Jail which was sung in a collection of kid's songs by Archie Fisher et al in the 60s.
It was a parody on the hymn  " There is a happy land, far, far away"

[/i]There is a happy land, down in Duke Street Jail,
Where all the prisoners stand, tied tae a nail,
Ham and eggs they never see,
Dirty water for their tea,there they live in misery,
God save the King

The Glasgow Corporation came, wi a brand new plan,
They're building tenement hooses now, down in the happy land,
There's 16 murderers buried there,
 So watch yersel going doon the stair,or a ghost 'll come oot and grab ye by the hair,
God save the King
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