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Topic: Johnson, Musselwhite, Beswick and Garathy (Read 534 times)
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peterbennett
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It looks very likely that first wife Mary died or left shortly after the birth of daughter Mary in 1859, there is a death for a Mary Johnson Chester aged 30 in 1859 indexed in the http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/  ?
William does not have any more children after 1859 until 1867 ish with his second wife so something as happened with Mary and my guess is that he should be shown as a widower in 1861.
If he married Sarah it is possibly in Lancashire, her home parish ?
As for the question of her being married before, I would guess its unlikely because she is down as single and not a widow on the 1861 and doesn't seem to have any children prior to meeting William.
It is more likely that she was born Garathy and then changed when her mother married a Beswick ?
Hope this doesn't confuse things further, it very difficult to sort out a problem such as this without investing in certificates.
peterbennett
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peterbennett
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I am sorry I could not help further, but would be pleased to hear the outcome of the death certificate for Mary.
It may be worth while putting a request on our Lancs board for an 1851 census lookup for Ashton UL to see if Sarah can be located. Only a small section of AUL is located in Cheshire for census purposes.
good luck
peterbennett
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Robbris
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After researching the Johnson family for months and getting nowhere I logged on to rootsChat. com in desperation and five minutes later I found your e-mail.Amazing! William Johnson and his first wife, Mary, are my gt grandparents. Mary, their daughter, a school teacher, married and came to Australia. Her sister, Elizabeth, also a school teacher, did not marry. William and his second wife Sarah had six children Sarah, John William, Frank, Herbert, Harold and Percy. I know a little about them. I am not familiar with the system but would like to get in touch.
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Robbris
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Hi Alan,
Thanks for the reply. Pleased to find someone who knows of the Johnson family. Would very much like copies a of Mary and William's Marriage certificate and Mary's death certificate. Much appreciated.
As you have guessed I live in Australia. Mary Johnson, my grandmother, married Charles Burcher in Chester on 12 August 1885. Charles, originally from Havant, Hampshire, emigrated to Australia via New Zealand in 1870. He returned to England in 1885 to purchase factory equipment and met Mary.
They returned to Australia early the following year. Charles was a pharmaceutical chemist and built one of the first mineral water and soap factories in the region.
Charles and Mary had seven children, Elsie (b 1886), Jessie (b 1888), Charles (b 1889), Harry (b 1891), Dorris (b 1892), Frank (b1894) and Cyril (b 1897).
Mary died on 29 January 1951 aged 92. Charles died on 9 April 1929. They had 8 grandchildren and 23 great grandchildren
Sarah Beswick is certainly a bit of a mystery. Sorry I can't shed any light on that one. Did you find all their children? Sarah, John William, Frank, Herbert, Harold and Percy.
I have some Johnson family photos. If you are interested. Poor quality and none of Mary (nee Musselwhite) unfortunately.
Would be interested to hear about any of the Johnsons. I believe Frank was a surveyor in Manchester but don't know much about the others.
Regards
Rob
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Gigi
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Hello All,
I too am a Johnson descendent. William Johnson's father Richard Johnson was my ggg grandfather. I am descended from William's older brother Thomas Johnson. Thomas and William were born Crosby Ravensworth in Westmorland. Richard Johnson died fairly young so it was Thomas the eldest child who worked to help bring up the family. Other siblings were John, Richard, Ralph and Sarah. Thomas paid for their education, Richard and William as teachers, John worked for the post office and Ralph was Thomas' apprentice to become a blacksmith like himself. The family story was that once Thomas eventually got married and had a family of his own, there was no money left for their education!!
Thomas' daughter Hannah Johnson used to visit her Chester cousins frequentlyaccording to my mum. There is also a family story about a seat in Chester cathedral with a Johnson inscription on it, but have never had the chance to verify this.
I have a photo of Thomas and his family. I would be interested to see copies of photos of William and his family.
I have loads on the Johnsons of Crosby Ravensworth if anyone is interested.
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Gillian
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Elwood/Ellwood: WES & CUM
Johnson: Crosby Ravensworth, Hilton & Dufton WES
Robinson: CUM
Langhorn: Kirkby Thore WES
Dover: WES & CUM
Parker: Soulby, Bedale
Hunt: Gentleshaw, Bladon, Hanborough
Slynn: Birmingham
Rammell: KENT
Felton: Shropshire
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Robbris
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Hi Gillian,
Thanks for your reply. I had noticed the Crosby Ravensworth Johnsons and had thought that there may have been a connection. Our William Johnson was a similar age and was born in the same general area. He was born in Mosley Ravensworth which I presume is not far away.
However I now realise that the William Johnson that you speak of is a different William Johnson to my great grandfather. In 1881 according to the census he was still living in Westmorland, while our William was a schoolmaster in Boughton, Chester. To make things more complicated there was another William Johnson with a wife, Mary, living in Chester at the same time and I think that he became the Mayor of Chester in 1866 and again in 1875. He lived in Broughton Hall, Broughton. He was the most likely to have had a seat dedicated to him in the cathedral.
Do you know what the relationship was between the two Johnson families?
Regards Rob
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Gigi
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Hi Rob,
William Johnson, schoolmaster of Chester, was born Crosby Ravensworth 1832. There is a mistake on the census. There is no such place as Mossley Ravensworth. William's father is Richard Johnson born c1786, marr 15/05/1814 Shap to Elizabeth Farrer and died CR 23/05/1836 aged 50.
William's other siblings are Thomas (my gg grandfather) born 1817 CR, John b 1819 CR, Richard b1822 CR, Sarah b1825 CR & Ralph b1829 CR.
We are infact talking about the same William!
Regards,
Gillian
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Elwood/Ellwood: WES & CUM
Johnson: Crosby Ravensworth, Hilton & Dufton WES
Robinson: CUM
Langhorn: Kirkby Thore WES
Dover: WES & CUM
Parker: Soulby, Bedale
Hunt: Gentleshaw, Bladon, Hanborough
Slynn: Birmingham
Rammell: KENT
Felton: Shropshire
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Robbris
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Hi All,
Thanks for the prompt reply and clarifying the matter for me. What was confusing me was the other William Johnson (agricultural Lab), born in Crosby Ravensworth <1829> and living in Cliburn, Westmorland in 1881 with his wife Mary, daughter Margaret and grandson George - All born in Westmoreland. Do you know who they were?
Can anyone place the William Johnson who was Mayor of Chester?
Regards Rob
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