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jumia
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Is there an easy way of tracing Spanish ancestors? I understand my grandmother - Dorothy Miriam Huggett ( she had an English father Edward) was born and raised somewhere in Spain. I have found her marriage cert age 22, 1914 in Bromley, Kent and her death cert 1932 but I don't know how to start tracing her birth cert or even where she came from.
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Paul E
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Hi Jumia
On freebmd I can find an Angela Miriam Huggett who died in Bromley in 1895 aged 33 - maybe an aunt / cousin? Its interesting how names crop up throughout families.
In the 1901 census, theres a Dorothy Huggett b1895 Eastbourne, but her father is shown as George, b1854.
So your Dorothy could well be in Spain!
cheers
Paul
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Arranroots
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This site looks as though it would be of general interest.
http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=2774
With regard to your own family, is there anyone you can ask questions of? I appreciate that it was a while ago, but the best place to start is always with the family. What was her father's occupation? Would that help explain why he was in Spain (and maybe where he was e.g. by the sea, in the capital).
It is customary in Spain for children to incorporate their mother's maiden name into their surname - did she do this? I have relatives in Spain and they have done a little bit of family history, but mainly by using search engines, I fear! I will ask and if they have any useful advice I will pass it on.
kind regards, Arranroots 
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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Arranroots
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there seem to be lots of links on the web
http://www.genealogylinks.net/europe/spain/index.html
has a good number - they also recommend Cyndi's List
http://www.cyndislist.com/spain.htm
and the Mediterranean GenWeb project.
http://www.genealogia-es.com/
You don't say how good your Spanish is 
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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jumia
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Hi
Thank you so much for your replys, some of the links look interesting. But I have to say that my Spanish is non existent. I think I had better start taking lessons.
It has proved very difficult to trace anything regarding my Spanish grandmother as both her and my grandfather John Henry Evans died young and the children were taken to live in Birmingham with my grandfathers family before he died. The other problem I have is that all the children including my father died in their 40's.
The only other snippet that I have managed to find out from a distant relative is that my Spanish grandmother's mother came to England also and lived in the London/Bromley area. My aunt ran away from Birmingham to live with her when she was a teenager, but I have no other information as there is no one left to ask. So it is down to official documents and links.
Kind Regards
Jumia
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Paul E
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Hi Jumia
There is a Dorothy Huggett listed on Genes Reunited, born 1893, Kent, which would fit with your age c22 at marriage.
(Of course, this may be your tree on GR, as the owner is a Julia)!
Paul
There are quite a few Huggets there, too, who it may be worth contacting to see if they have come across Dorothy in their travels.
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Hi Jumia
Have you seen her death cert? there must be a good chance that it mentions her maiden name, given the Spanish habit of keeping this even after marriage. Alternatively her children's birth certs should have that info.
Most of the links I posted are in English, but if you run into difficulties my sister works as a Spanish/ Catalan/ English translator so I'm sure she would help! Also a surprising number of Rootschatters live in other countries, we may even be able to rustle someone up in the right place - once we know where that is! 
Do you have names for the Spanish mother? I'm assuming it would be too late for censuses, but someone may recognise the name.
Give a shout if there is anything we can do
kind regards, Arranroots
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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jumia
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Yes the Dorothy Huggett listed on the Genes Reunited site is my grandmother and I have contacted countless numbers of Huggetts even the Huggett name websit but with no luck.
Her death cert only gives her maiden name as Huggett, nothing remotely Spanish sounding. The same with my father's and aunt's birth certs.
Her marriage cert mentions her father Edward's profession as a labourer. Not much help there, I can't seem to find him either. And you can imagine the problems we have with the surname of Evans!!!!
Does anyone know if you can trace the names of people who where living in a house back in the 30's? I know that my aunt was living in Bromley with her Spanish grandmother and I know the address from my aunt's marriage cert. If I had my gr grandmothers name it would help a great deal.
Warm Regards
Jumia
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I imagine the electoral register would not show the Spanish gt grandmother as she would not be able to vote.
I had a look for deaths in Bromley of "Spanish sounding" ladies, but none on freebmd. any idea if that is where she died?
At a loss to know how to help really 
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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I have absolutely no idea where she died, I presumed it was in Bromley where she lived with her granddaughter.
Thanks very much for all your help and input, I will try to follow up through links and hope to get a break sometime
Many Thanks
Jumia
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Paul E
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Hi Jumia
Could you post the full details from the marriage cert - including Edward's occupation?
Sorry Jumia - just realise you already gave us this!
Have you found him on earlier censuses?
Do you think Edward's marriage was to a Spanish woman, or could it have been an English woman and they just happened to be in Spain when Dorothy was born?
There should be birth records for foreign born Brits somewhere.
cheers
Paul
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jumia
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Hello Paul
You have made me stop and think, I'm not sure now whether they were both English or English/Spanish. I had been told that my grandmother could speak very little English and at times was unable to make herself understood. But of course this is no indication that her parents were Spanish or English born. I have been on the sites where there were English births abroad but have had no luck as yet. I will keep looking on these sites I think, just in case.
Many Thanks
Jumia
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Hi Jumia
I just came across this post - I live in Spain (Canary Islands) and I speak a little Spanish. I would be more than happy to help with the language if the need arises!
Happy hunting
Ger
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EVANS, SMART, PREECE, PARTRIDGE, SYKES (Ross-on-Wye and surrounds Herefordshire ENGLAND) LEWIS (Llangarren Herefordshire ENGLAND) ROBERTS (St Maughans Monmouth and Llangarron Herefs) POWELL (Monmouth and Herefordshire) WATKINS, JENKINS (Hentland Herefordshire) HAMILTON, McCUTCHEN (Urney Strabane Co. Tyrone IRELAND) McLAUGHLIN (Manorcunningham Co. Donegal IRELAND) http://evansinherefordshire.comCensus information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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jumia
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Thank you so much, I will be in touch as soon as I can work out how to go about things. Do you know where, or can you can access the Spanish births, deaths and marriages archives? I still haven't managed to find any trace of my Grandmother in any records in the UK apart from her marriage cert and her death cert!
Regards
Julia
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No problem at all jumia - as Arranroots said there are a few people on Rootschat who could do a bit of translation for you.
Not sure about where to find Spanish records... there is an LDS in my town though so if you find that there are records I can go there for you. The LDS does list Spain as a searchable country; can't see any Huggetts there though. According to the Ancestry link, if you find a name you are sorted! "The best records in the world" !!
Good luck finding a starting point - at first glance there's a lot available if you have an idea where to look.
CHeers hon
Ger
PS I have two John Evanses - I feel your pain lol!
PPS this may be a complete red herring but the name 'Huggett' *could* be an anglicised version of 'juguete' which means 'toy' but I don't think it exists as a surname. There are also surnames 'Jaque' and 'Jaquet' which sound a lot like 'Hugget'. I'll keep me eyes open
PPPS the national archives for Spain is at http://www.mcu.es/archivos/index.jsp
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EVANS, SMART, PREECE, PARTRIDGE, SYKES (Ross-on-Wye and surrounds Herefordshire ENGLAND) LEWIS (Llangarren Herefordshire ENGLAND) ROBERTS (St Maughans Monmouth and Llangarron Herefs) POWELL (Monmouth and Herefordshire) WATKINS, JENKINS (Hentland Herefordshire) HAMILTON, McCUTCHEN (Urney Strabane Co. Tyrone IRELAND) McLAUGHLIN (Manorcunningham Co. Donegal IRELAND) http://evansinherefordshire.comCensus information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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