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frederickay
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hi to all WHARTONS we have quite a lot of info we are happy to share. john wharton and isabella milner,married in 1802 in ravonsdale.
parents of john milner who married Margeret Brocklebank. went on to london . this is all around 1800s.they all lived in east ward.went to paddington in london. at moment only have dates etc but there must be someone there that has info to add.
john milner,mary,margeret ,isabella,jane,three williams,another jane joshua.ann richard,thomas robert milner.
this is my Robert HINE WHARTON family i have been waiting years to connect with . frederickay
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Elizabeth Wharton
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Hi - I did write a reply a few hours ago and sent it only to get the message that all was not well on the site. So - did my message get anywhere? It doesn't look like it: so here I go again.
I have only just discovered this site and it is very exciting for I have quite a lot of information about the Whartons - the particular Whartons that you are writing about.
My grandfather was Milner Wharton who married Kezia Elizabeth Hayes in 1874. I have photos of them both. Kezia is lovely. Milner's father was John Milner who married Margaret Brocklebank and it was John Milner who brought two of their children to London from Westmorland. I have that on the 1861 Census. Times were very hard in London. John Milner's father married Isabella Milner in 1802. He was born in 1770 and his father William married Margaret Eubank in 1767.
Forgive me if you know all, or most, of this. I have the 1841, 1851, 1861,1881, 1891 and 1901 Census information, though the '41 Census is difficult to read and I hope to get some help with it fairly soon. I have most of the earlier Christenings, children's names, etc. Am I going to be of any help to you? I hope so. And have you information you can give me?
My father was the youngest but one of a large family. His father was Milner, so was his younger brother. I blame Isabella!
Well, that's enough to be getting on with!
Look forward to hearing from you.
Regards, Elizabeth.
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Elizabeth Wharton
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Hi Jan -
I wasn't expecting a reply so quickly. Great to hear from you.
I don't quite know where to start - or even when to start as it is getting late here and I want to give my email to you some thought. Rest assured you will hear from me shortly. However, perhaps you could let me know whether you would like details, such as I have them, of the various censuses. Also, do you want to know not only way back but up to date? Actually, I have to find out the parents of William Wharton (who married Margaret Eubank in 1767) before I can go any further. So that's my next quest!
But back to you. Let me know how you would like me to start and maybe you can help me out too!
So - I'll write soon, I promise. It's fitting in the time and knowing where to start!
How come you're in N.Z?
Till next time - Elizabeth.
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hi ,would love any censuses with Wharton's .so we can put them all together.any family history. who where what.
we have quite a few birth ,death certs ,that someone better then me can scan to you.i have been to kirk by Stephan and seen gravestone of William and Margret . i will check if i took photo. will scan to you also Wharton hall etc.we have handwritten copy of Joshua's will and know where Margret Wharton pre nup is .photos would be great. we haven't got many of those but would be able to put you in contact with Jacquie who has some.
i look forward to anything you have . i think you can email me direct from icon on left. otherwise its ijtwentyman At xtra.co.nz
my parents came from London in 1951 so i am a born kiwi. just back from genealogy search in u.k. mindblowing.hope to hear from you soon . Jan.
p.s. it is 9.19 am here and freezing.i have access to family tree programme but cant work it.
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Elizabeth Wharton
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Hello again.
As I said I'm not quite sure where to start. It would be interesting to see where our paths parted - at which Milner!
I was interested to hear that you have names of Whartons in the Paddington cemetery: my father, and his father and mother and a sister are buried in Finchley. No other Whartons so far as I know.
I think it might be a good idea if I send you, to start with, the 1881 Census and then we can go back and forth from there. I wonder whether you will know of any of them. The 1881 Census was very difficult to find simply because it was wrongly named Kharton. Fortunately, there was someone from Genes Reunited who found them for me - she said she was used to finding errors. I thought she was fantastic. I would never have found them! Well, here goes for a start.
1881 Census.
Kharton's Residence 6 Foscote Mews, Paddington.
Gertrude Kharton b.1878 Paddington age 3
Arthur Kharton b.1880 Paddington age 1
Elizabeth Kharton b.1855 Chinor, Oxfordshire age 26 Wife
Milner Kharton b. 1850 Kendal, Westmorland age presumably 31 (difficult to read) Head. Occupation Gentleman's coachman.
I'll stop there for now but maybe the 1891 Census will be of interest to you as one of Milner's children is named Frederick.
Sorry I shall be sending to you in bits and pieces but I shall try to keep it as simple as possible.
I haven't yet worked out how this website works with regard to sending direct. I don't want everyone to know my email address!
Tell me if Frederick is special to you. I know about him - and where abouts did your parents live? My parents were from north London.
Write soon. Elizabeth.
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Elizabeth Wharton
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Thanks, Andrea.
Certainly I am happy generally for information, censuses and such, to be there for everyone.
Elizabeth.
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Elizabeth Wharton
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Hi, Jan. It's me again.
It's just that on reflection I think the 1861 Census will be of particular interest to you. Tell me if that is so.
!861 Census (Civil Parish for all is St George Hanover Square. Residence: 30 Thomas Street.)
Isabella Wharton b. 1840 Kirkby Stephen Daughter
John Wharton b. 1842 Kirkby Stephen Son
John M Wharton b. 1815 Morlands, Westmorland Head
Margaret Wharton b. 1819 Keridle, Westmorland Wife (I am advised that this should probably read Kendal.)
Margaret Wharton b. 1857 London, Middlesex Daughter
Mary Ann Wharton b. 1844 London, Middlesex Daughter
Milner Wharton b.1849 London, Middlesex Son
Robert Wharton b. 1852 London, Middlesex Son
The following occupations were given.
John M Wharton - Bath attendant (This seems odd to me.)
Isabella Wharton - Shopwoman
John Wharton - Greengrocer
Milner, Robert and Margaret - Scholar
Hope I've got it all right.
Elizabeth.
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Elizabeth Wharton
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Hi Jan,
A little more information for you. I don't know exactly what you know already but heregoes!
This is from the 1841 Census
John Milner Wharton 26 Draper
Margaret Wharton 21
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Elizabeth Wharton
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Sorry Jan I hadn't finished and hit the wrong key!
To continue: no - I'll start again otherwise it's confusing.
1841 Census
John Wharton 26 Draper
Margaret Wharton 21
Isabella Wharton 19
Eliza Wharton 2
This is what the member of GR wrote. (She is in the process of indexing the 1841 Census for Westmorland.)
"The ages match perfectly with the 61 image also the first two children on 61 were born kirkby stephen one before and one after 41 census. The Isabella and Eliza could have been mixed up when putting ages down but I've been through kirkby stephen and there aren't any more as the 17 year old Mary Ann was born London they were probably there in 51 have you had a look up of the address from 61 they are still there."
I try to keep my research in some kind of order but it's not easy, is it?
I have the 1891 Census with John R as Head and John M as Father. If you are interested I will send that shortly.
Let me know if you got my testing-testing emails which I sent to your email address, so that I can send some images. I know how to do them my way!
All the best - Elizabeth.
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