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lawreh00
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I'm trying to get started tracking down my great grandfather's family. My maternal grandmother's father is William Theodore Johnson b. 10 Dec 1884, father John Johnson according to the information I have been given from living relatives. My grandmother and her sister insist the Johnson family are originally from Sweden and in the past changed their surname from Johanson (Sp?) to Johnson.
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I have the marriage and death certificates for William Theodore Johnson. He married Margaret Ross Carson at the register office, Poplar, London in Jan 1905 at age 21. Both were living at 22 Stebondale Street, Poplar at the time of their marriage as this is Margaret Ross Carson's family home. Shortly after, they moved to 146 EastFerry Road, Poplar (Since renamed 13 Spindrift Avenue). According to the marriage certificate, William's father is John Johnson. William Theodore Johnson died september 1962. Both William and Margaret are buried together in the East London Cemetery, plot 16530/22.
I cannot find a birth certificate for a William Theodore Johnson but I do have a birth certificate for a Theodore William Johnson b. 10 Dec 1884 in Poplar, London. The mother and father are listed as John Lawrence Johnson, merchant seaman, and Mary Ann Johnson. Mary's maiden name could possibly be 'Curle' but its hard to make out. They were living at 2 British Street, Poplar which has since been replaced by Harbinger Road. Coincidently this backs on to Spindrift Avenue.
I have also been told William had at least one brother. The brother I have a name for is Alfred and he had twins (boy/girl) and they are alledged to be 2 or 3 years older than my great aunt. She remembers the girl going to her primary school and lived nearby in Millwall. Some searching through the records this morning gives the following:
Dorothy B Johnson & Benjamin F Johnson
Registered Mar 1921 Poplar 1c 814. Mother's maiden name Copping. This would make the twins 4 years older than my great aunt.
Problems:
I cannot find anything conclusive concerning John & Mary Ann Johnson on the 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses. Can anyone advise me on where to look for more information on this family please?
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Searching for the following:
Carson (Glasgow & Poplar)
Hudson, Phillimore & Stevens (Whitchurch Area, Hampshire)
Huntley & Lawrence (Hitchin, Hertfordshire)
Jervis & Jervis-Hunter (India & Stone, Staffordshire)
Johnson (North Hertfordshire & Poplar)
Powell (Essex)
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Mk2_Zephyr
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You can't find them on those census ? , or there was no more additional info on the census ?
Being a merchant seaman, Mr Johnson could easily have came from Sweden. Changing the name to an english version is a familiar theme from those that want to fit into a new country.
Did you search for a marriage certificate for John and Mary Ann in the records under both Johnson and Johanson. The luck would be if Mary Ann was english. If no luck then try a search in the Swedish indexes or IGI.
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Barbara F
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I will take a look at the censuses for you. In the meantime have you seen this marriage on Free BMD?
Marriages Sep 1875
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CURLE Mary Ann Mile End 1c 1015
FANE James Reginald Mile End 1c 1015
Johnson John Mile End 1c 1015
Paiba Eleanor Margaret Mile End 1c 1015
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Joy, Larkin, Twort, Baker, Whibley - Brenchley and Horsmonden area Kent Fewell and Speller - Essex and London Headington and Bateman - London Feltwell - Norfolk and London Lewin - India and NZ Evan-Thomas - Wales and London Purser and Cook - Hunts Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Mk2_Zephyr
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Well done, Barbara. 
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Barbara F
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See your difficulty with the censuses - nothing seems to fit! However how about this, again from Free BMD
Deaths Jun 1907
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JOHNSON John Lawrence 59 Poplar 1c 333
If this is the right man it gives a better idea of who to look for in the censuses. There is John Johnson in Poplar in 1901 of about the right age - born in Sweden. The writing is difficult to read but I will have another look at it.
Barbara
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Valda
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1901 census RG13 1642 folio 68 Hedgott's farm Matching Essex
John L Johnson 53 Sweden Head Married Mariner (master)
Mary A Johnson 45 London, Wife Married
William Johnson 17 London, Son Chipper in iron foundry (possibly clipper)
Ada Johnson 14 London, Daughter
Benjman Johnson 10 London, Son
Henry Walker 47 South Hampton, Hampshire, Boarder Mariner (master)
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Valda
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Barbara F
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Well done Valda
If this is the right family I have found them in Greenwich in 1891. Will send the image if you PM me your email address. There is a brother called Alfred which ties in with your first set of info.
Barbara
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lawreh00
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Thanks everyone, I really appreaciate it  I think you may be right Valda. After seeing Barbara F's post I found the following:
47 Roan Street, Greenwich in 1891:
John Johnson Age 42 (B S), Sweden. Head. Seaman.
Mary Johnson Age 36 Limehouse Wife.
Thomas Johnson Age 16 Limehouse Son.
John H. Johnson Age 15 Limehouse Son.
Mary A. Johnson Age 13 Limehouse Daughter.
Alfred Johnson Age 8 Limehouse Son.
William Johnson Age 6 Limehouse Son
Ada Johnson Age 4 Greenwich Daughter
Benjamin Johnson Age 4 months Greenwich Son
11 Ordnance Place, Greenwich, London in 1881:
John Johnson abt 1849 (B S), Sweden. Head. Seaman.
Mary Johnson abt 1856 Limehouse Wife.
Edward Johnson abt 1875 Poplar Son.
John Johnson abt 1876 Poplar Son.
Minnie Johnson abt 1878 Poplar Daughter.
William Johnson abt 1881 Greenwich Son.
NB Limehouse registers as Poplar which would fit with William/Theodore being the William Johnson Age 6 in 1891.
I've also been having a look at FreeBMD and I found the following:
Deaths Jun 1900
Johnson Mary Ann 45 Poplar 1c 406
I've had further conversations with my great aunt and it would appear William/Theodore had another brother named Benjamin but she is unsure of his age. She also said that her grandfather had a pig farm near Harlow in Essex so I guess everything is finally beginning to fit!
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Carson (Glasgow & Poplar)
Hudson, Phillimore & Stevens (Whitchurch Area, Hampshire)
Huntley & Lawrence (Hitchin, Hertfordshire)
Jervis & Jervis-Hunter (India & Stone, Staffordshire)
Johnson (North Hertfordshire & Poplar)
Powell (Essex)
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Valda
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1891 census RG12 509 folio 17 47 Roan Street Greenwich London
Johnson, John I 47 British Subject, Sweden Head Married Seaman
Johnson, Mary B 36 Limehouse, London, Wife Married
Johnson, Thomas 16 Limehouse, London, Son Labourer
Johnson, John H 15 Limehouse, London, Son Labourer
Johnson, Mary A 13 Limehouse, London, Daughter
Johnson, Alfred I 8 Limehouse, London, Son
Johnson, William A 6 Limehouse, London, Son
Johnson, Ada E 4 Greenwich, London, Daughter
Johnson, Benjn W 4mths Greenwich, London, Son
I think the enumerator got a little confused with the middle name initials but it seems to be the same family.
1881 census RG12 726 folio 68 11 Ordnance Place, Greenwich, London, England
John Johnson 32 (B S), Sweden Head Married seaman
Mary Johnson 25 Limehouse Wife Married
Edward Johnson 6 Poplar Son (first name difficult to read)
John Johnson 5 Poplar Son
Minnie Johnson 3 Poplar Daughter
William Johnson 6mths Greenwich Son
Mary Ann Hogin 30 Greenwich Boarder charwoman
Ages of the parents are roughly the same and son John. Minnie is a pet name for Mary Ann so she's the right age for Mary Ann in 1891. The child William would have to have died young - there is a space between births on the 1891 census. Leaving Edward if that was what is written to either be a mistake or a child that was called Thomas Edward or Edward Thomas as he is the right age for Thomas on the 1891 census.
Regards
Valda
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1891 census RG12 509 folio 17 47 Roan Street Greenwich London
Johnson, John I 47 British Subject, Sweden Head Married Seaman
Johnson, Mary B 36 Limehouse, London, Wife Married
Johnson, Thomas 16 Limehouse, London, Son Labourer
Johnson, John H 15 Limehouse, London, Son Labourer
Johnson, Mary A 13 Limehouse, London, Daughter
Johnson, Alfred I 8 Limehouse, London, Son
Johnson, William A 6 Limehouse, London, Son
Johnson, Ada E 4 Greenwich, London, Daughter
Johnson, Benjn W 4mths Greenwich, London, Son
I think the enumerator got a little confused with the middle name initials but it seems to be the same family.
1881 census RG12 726 folio 68 11 Ordnance Place, Greenwich, London, England
John Johnson 32 (B S), Sweden Head Married seaman
Mary Johnson 25 Limehouse Wife Married
Edward Johnson 6 Poplar Son (first name difficult to read)
John Johnson 5 Poplar Son
Minnie Johnson 3 Poplar Daughter
William Johnson 6mths Greenwich Son
Mary Ann Hogin 30 Greenwich Boarder charwoman
Ages of the parents are roughly the same and son John. Minnie is a pet name for Mary Ann so she's the right age for Mary Ann in 1891. The child William would have to have died young - there is a space between births on the 1891 census. Leaving Edward if that was what is written to either be a mistake or a child that was called Thomas Edward or Edward Thomas as he is the right age for Thomas on the 1891 census.
Regards
Valda
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Mk2_Zephyr
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Are we cooking or what !!!! 
The certificate you want to purchase of course is the marriage, but be prepared for Johanson son of Johan, son of ..... patronymics.
But well done team, excellent work all round.
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Barbara F
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Not a bad result in 4 hours
Just wish our ancestors would keep to one name rather than switching them about.
Barbara
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Maybe there are other siblings as William/Theodore is born 9 years after their marriage?