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AnneMc
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Hello:
I really would appreciate any help with trying to find the birth place of John Hardwick born in Nottingham around 1818.
On the 1871 census John's states his place of birth as Greasley, Notts. But I have check the parish records - no birth for him there.
I have just found him on the 1861 census and it states Beverlee, Notts.
Found John's brother Samuel on the census with place of birth listed a Beggerlea, Nott.
To make things more confusing I found another brother James on the IGI with christening place listed as Bevelle, Greasley, Nott.
Does any one have any idea where this place could be? I really would like to know so I could find the birth record for John as he is my 4xgrgrandfather.
Thank you very much for any help this.
Regards
Anne
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Yorkshire - Thompson. Savage, Morris, Richardson, Frankish, Mintoft, Myers, Barker, Hotchkiss
Shropshire - Hotchkiss
Derbyshire - Hardwick, Barker, Marples
Lancashire - Winstanley, Morton
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sjsbc
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Hi,
You may have seen this before, but just in case,
Here is a link to the parishes in Nottingahmshire,
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NTT/parishes.html
Maybe browsing through some of the places will give you a better idea of where to search next.
Sue
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SCOTLAND: Scotland, Morrison, Bonnella, Third,
LINCOLNSHIRE: Bell, King, Emerson, Leesing, Canty, Cutting, Fox,
GLOUCESTERSHIRE: Antill, Onslow, Crook, Jenkins,
LANCASHIRE: Hall, Mayson, Dearden,
WILTSHIRE: Sloper, King, Willis, Stockwell,
ESSEX: Stone, Webb, Smith, Hawkins, Frye,
SOMERSET: Harrison, Jones,
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AnneMc
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Hi Sue:
thanks I will check it out tonight. I must say this family research sure makes you use your brain !!
Thanks
Anne
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Yorkshire - Thompson. Savage, Morris, Richardson, Frankish, Mintoft, Myers, Barker, Hotchkiss
Shropshire - Hotchkiss
Derbyshire - Hardwick, Barker, Marples
Lancashire - Winstanley, Morton
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Woodhj
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Hi,
Beggarlee and Beauvale are both parts of the parish of Greasley in Nottinghamshire. I suggest you widen your search a little and also check out the parish records of Eastwood, which is the town next door.
kind regards
Howard
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AnneMc
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Thank you Howard and Gardener for the information I will check everything out. Hopefully I will find the birth record for John.
Thanks again
Anne
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Yorkshire - Thompson. Savage, Morris, Richardson, Frankish, Mintoft, Myers, Barker, Hotchkiss
Shropshire - Hotchkiss
Derbyshire - Hardwick, Barker, Marples
Lancashire - Winstanley, Morton
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JAP
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Hi Anne,
As you mention a Samuel, I take it that your John's parents were John and Lettice?
There are several records in the IGI for children of theirs - entries formally extracted from Church Registers under the controlled extraction program of the LDS, and also entries which are submissions by members of the LDS (the latter need to be treated with great care).
I notice that two of the extracted records are for baptisms in the Primitive Methodist Church; they mention birth dates also and these are quite some time (in one case a very long time) before the baptismal date.
It may well be that your John was not baptised at all, or was baptised in a church the records of which have not survived or have not been indexed into the online IGI. I notice from the Family History Library Catalogue on FamilySearch that the records they hold of the Beggarlee Primitive Methodist church extend only from 1827-1837; and the Ilkeston Circuit begins in 1823.
So it may well be that you won't find a birth or baptism record for John - but at least you have his age and birthplace from census information!
Extracted Entries in the IGI
John HARDWICK m Lettice SAXTEN 12 Apr 1812, Greasley Notts
- Violet HARDWICK(E) b 9 Jun 1813, bap 9 Jan 1832 Beaverlee Schoolroom Primitive Methodist, Beggarlee, Notts; also an entry with same dates for Primitive Methodist Ilkeston Circuit, Derbyshire
- Mary HARDWICK bap 14 Jan 1816 Greasley Notts
- Josh. HARDWICK bap 4 Nov 1816 Greasley Notts
- Samuel HARDWICK bap 27 Jul 1823 Greasley Notts
- William HARDWICK bap 5 Feb 1826 Greasley Notts
- Thomas HARDWICKE b 23 Oct 1828, bap 10 Jan 1832 Beaverlee Schoolroom Primitive Methodist, Beggarlee, Notts; also an entry with same dates for Primitive Methodist, Ilkeston Circuit, Derbyshire
Submissions by members of the LDS - treat with great care
- James HARDWICK or SAXTON bap 22 Mar 1812, Greasley Notts; also listed as just James HARDWICK
- Francis HARDWICK bap 1821 Greasley Notts
- Samuel HARDWICK b 1825 Notts; also an entry as bap 1859 Eckington, Derbyshire (note extracted entry above)
- Thomas HARDWICK b 1830 Notts (note extracted entry above)
- Thirza or Thurza HARDWICK bap 8 May 1831 Greasley Notts; also listed with same date as Prim, Methodists, Ilkeston, Derby
- Jacob HARDWICK b 1838 Notts; also an entry as bap 1839 Attercliffe Yorks
You will have noticed John (70, a Coal Miner) and Lettice (68) in Eckington, Derbyshire in the 1861; other heads of households in the same place include your John (42, a Coal Miner), Samuel (37, a Coal Miner) and Thomas (32, a Coal Miner).
And there are LDS submissions (and the occasional extracted entry) in the IGI which take John and Lettice further back.
JAP
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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AnneMc
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Hello Jap:
Thank you for the information. Yes, John's parents are John and Lettice Hardwick. After spending yesterday and today searching for John (jr) baptism or birth record. I had starting think like you that I may never find a record for him. But at least I know who his parents are as John's daughter Emma with her grandparents on the 1861 census and John named a daughter Lettice same name as his mother.
Thanks again for your help, I really appreciate it. Now I am going to start tracing the line back. I am hoping to go to Salt Lake city in Sept or Oct. so will follow up on the submissions.
Regards
Anne
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Derbyshire - Hardwick, Barker, Marples
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AnneMc
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Hello Jap:
I find it very interesting that Violet and Thomas were baptised in Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire on the same day? Any ideas why? As I don't have any ideas.
Anne
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Yorkshire - Thompson. Savage, Morris, Richardson, Frankish, Mintoft, Myers, Barker, Hotchkiss
Shropshire - Hotchkiss
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JAP
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Anne,
I would imagine (on no basis whatsoever!!), that they were actually baptised in the Beaverlee Schoolroom Primitive Methodist chapel at Beggarlee but that this chapel (or the clergyman who performed the ceremony) was part of the Ilkeston Primitive Methodist Circuit and so the record happened to be entered into both registers.
I know very little about Derbyshire and/or Nottinghamshire geography but I see from Genuki that both Greasley and Ilkeston were taken in under the Registration District of Basford from 1837 when statutory registration began.
A search on Google for Beggarlee (also some of the other names/places) turns up lots of interesting stuff - including passages from "Lady Chatterley's Lover"!
I guess you noticed IGI entries (LDS) for Lettice's christening and death (2 Sep 1792 and 14 Jun 1872), parents Francis SAXTON and Hannah HOURS. And an extracted entry for the marriage of Francis and Hannah in Greasley 18 Jun 1787. And other submissions for children of theirs, etc, etc
Ancestral File at FamilySearch gives details for a submitter of Francis SAXTON - these may be long out of date but often worth a try. There's also an entry in the Pedigree Resource File section with the name and address of a different submitter.
Who knows what you might find in the films of the actual church registers - either in SLC or ordered in to your local LDS FHC.
Good hunting,
JAP
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Heather DD
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I have said this on your other thread but just in case ... 
The LDS only hold the film of Beaverlee Primitive Methodist for the years 1827-1837. I suggest e-mailing Nottinghamshire Archives via their website to see if they have earlier holdings (a quick google suggests they exist from 1818).
Heather
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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JAP
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Heather,
Sounds good!
I haven't seen another thread ...
Cheers,
JAP
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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AnneMc
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Hello Jap and Heather:
Thank you very much for the information I am going to follow through with it today. Will send an e-mail to the Nottinghamshire Archives soon as I have done this message. I do use the local family history center but it is 1 1/2 hours away and I went down on Tuesday to see what I could find as this week it the last week it is open till next Sept. as they take the summer off. So it makes it a little hard to do research over the summer.
Will let you know what I hear back from the archives. Crossing my fingers that I get good news back.
Thanks again
anne
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