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Tati
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Hi Caroline,
here they are in 1861:
RG9/1900
Folio 33 p. 38
Wrockwardine Wood, Shropshire
West Street
Enock Wakeley, head, 45, Grocer & Higgler, b. Lilleshall
Ann, wife, 34, b. Wrockwardine
Enock, son, 10, b. do.
Henrietta, dau, 7, b. do.
Thirsa is at her grandmother's:
RG9/1900
Folio 42 p. 56
Wrockwardine Wood
Sarah Bradbury, head, wid, 63
George Whittington, brother, unm, 61, Labourer in Iron Works
Thirza Wakeley, Granddau, 2
Everbody borns Wrockwardine
Tanja 
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1871
RG10/2747
Folio 77 p. 26
Shiffnal St Georges
West Street
Enoch Wakeley, head, 55, Green Grocer, b. Lilleshall
Ann, wife, 44, b. Wrockwardine
Thurza, dau, 12, scholar, b. do.
Tanja
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Oops, just seeing your post, so this is not going to be very useful to you. Anyway, now that I've typed it, I'm sending it!
... and Jasper:
RG10/2809
Folio 47 p. 28
Wrockwardine Wood
George Whittingham, head, unm, 71, b. Wrockwardine
Samuel Hayward, nephew, unm, 22, Railway Stoker, b. Derby Chesterfield
Jasper Wakeley, Nephew, 9, scholar, b. Salop Wrockwardine
And Enoch jr:
RG10/2747
Folio 70 p. 11
Shiffnal St Georges
Church Street
Enoch Wakeley, lodger, unm, 20, Irostone Miner, b. Wrockwardine
(Head of household John Powell)
Sorry, I can't seem to find Henrietta
Tanja
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Could it be Wakeley was a married name? There is an Ann Martin of the right age born in the right place on the census
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Valda
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This is an interesting family who don't appear at all on the 1861 census
1871 census RG10 2748 folio 6 382 Snedshill Shiffnal Shropshire
Enoch Wakeley 48 French, Shropshire, Head Married Labourer
Ann Wakeley 51 St Georges, Shropshire, Wife Married
Elizabeth Wakeley 23 Princetown, Staffordshire, Daughter Stone picker
Emily Wakeley 18 Lilleshall, Shropshire, Daughter Stone picker
Martha Wakeley abt 1855 Lilleshall, Shropshire, Daughter Stone picker
Jemima Wakeley abt 1856 Lilleshall, Shropshire, Daughter Servant
James Wakeley abt 1860 Snedshill, Shropshire, Son
William Wakeley abt 1862 Snedshill, Shropshire, Son
Enoch Wakeley abt 1863 Snedshill, Shropshire, Son
I older daughter could have left home by 1871.
However this is what you probably want
RG10 2809 folio 26 Wrockwardine Shropshire
Hannah Wakeley 17 Unmarried Shifnal, Shropshire, Servant
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Valda
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1861 census RG9 1853 folio 86 Yard Barrack Hole? Shifnal Shropshire
Isaac Wakeley 39 Lilleshall, Shropshire, Head Married Coalminer
Sarah Wakeley 36 Lilleshall, Shropshire, Wife Married
James Wakeley 13 Lilleshall, Shropshire, Son
Sarah Wakeley 10 Shifnal, Shropshire, Daughter
Hannah Wakeley 8 Shifnal, Shropshire, Daughter
Matilda Wakeley 7 Shifnal, Shropshire, Daughter
Thomas Wakeley 7 Shifnal, Shropshire, Son
Sorry no Enoch. Was it essential to have an Enoch for a father?
The other Enoch from the 1871 census I did eventually find on the 1861 census. He had turned into a James!
On the 1871 census Isaac is in Lilleshall with his wife and son Thomas. Next door is William Wakely a widower aged 88 born Lilleshall. With him is his unmarried daughter Sarah aged 51 also born Lilleshall.
On the 1861 census William is still in Lilleshall with daughter Sarah (recorded as an idiot at home) but also his wife Elizth aged 58 born Wrockwardine. William a labourer aged 78 now gives his place of birth as Eyton.
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Valda
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carolineawood
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Thank you for all your research Valda. here is the reason I got onto the trail with Enoch, and see if you can follow my logic!
I was actually searching for George harry(Henry) Milner who was born in 1878 in Stoke to John Milner -a metal mounter - and 'Ann Milner' formerly Wakeley. I have the birth cert. I could not trace this family in 1881 and I know that at some point, Harry Milner's mother remarried and became a Mrs Potter. I have been unable to trace a marriage between John Milner and ann wakeley - I then found a John Milner of around the right age, died in 1879 age 37 Stoke. In 1881, I found an Ann wakeley working as a servant in salford, showing as born 1853 St Georges salop. this set me on a trail for her family in 1881, only to discover an entry for Enoch and ann wakeley (aged 64 and 54) with a daughter Thirsa, Son Jsaper ... and a 'son' George H M Wakeley Aged 3 born 1878 Potteries.
Now George Harry Milner has been notoriously difficult to trace but in my mind this looked like p[ossibly Ann's parents taking the young child on board after she was widowed, whilst she went and found work. Particularly as it seemed unlikely with Enoch and Ann's ages, they would not have had a son aged 3 but more likely to be looking after a grandson aged 3. Also, Georhe H M Wakeley could easily be referring to 'George Harry/henry Milner Wakeley.
Hannah Wakeley married James Potter in 1882 and she is shown as Wakeley and not Milner on the marriage details, implying that she and John Milner never actually married. This is how I arrived at Enoch and ann possibly being the parents of Ann/Hannah wakeley.
Now I will study the info you have sent me and see how this is all going to work out.
I hope you can follow my thinking - this one has been really hard to follow!
Following the story of Hannah Wakeley. it would seem that she and James Potter then had a son frederick in 1882. james Potter (hubby 2) then died in 1883/1890 and she remarried again in 1890 to Henry Hand (much older than her). in 1891 there is an entry for henry hand age 69 9own means), wife Hannah Hand age 38 Born 1853 St Georges, Son harry potter (for decency sake?) born 1878 Etruria Staffs (is this Harry Milner??) and son fred Potter age 8 born Burslem.
Henry hand then died in 1895 age 73 and 1901 shows just hannah Hand age 47 - own means, along with son Fred Potter age 18 born Burslem.
I know that Harry Milner fought in the Boer War so that is why I can't trace him in 1901 and when he married in 1904, the witnesses were Hannah Potter and Frederick Potter.
So I hope you can follow my reasoning!
Now I will study all your info and see how it is going to make sense. Mrs Potter is known in the family to 'have been a bit of a one!! with a reputation'. If my research is right, I am beginning to understand why!!!!!!!!!!!!
Caroline
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Valda
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I think you need one of her marriage certificates to establish who her father was. Without that evidnece (though I can follow your reasoning and I think it is very good) it is just speculation and a lot of effort, which in the end won't actually prove it one way or the other. I think it could be sorted out (hopefully) fairly easily if you knew who her father actually was. From that information you could then try and work out where she was prior 1881.
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Valda
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