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1851/1861 census Kempston
« on: Tuesday 21 June 05 10:57 BST (UK) »

Hi everyone, I am new to this so please bear with me!  I am trying to trace a family of surnames DUDLEY and SANDERS who I believe lived in Kempston.  I have Mary Dudley, born around early 1830's, daughter of John Dudley, who married Henry Sanders/Saunders in 1857 in Shropshire.  The 3 children that I am aware of were all christened in Kempston parish in 1861 and 1862, so I am hoping to locate them as the Sanders family in Kempston in 1861.  I suspect this may have been Mary's parish of birth, and wonder if she may have been living there in 1851 also.
Can anybody help me?!
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Re: 1851/1861 census Kempston
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 11:16 BST (UK) »

Hi kvkiwi,

I think this could be them in 1861
She's the only Mary Sanders born Kempston I could find, anyway

RG9/990
Folio 83 p. 25

Kempston, Bedfordshire
'Village'

Ann Dudley, head, wid, 66, Pauper (formerly Laundress), b. Bedfordshire Marton
Benjamin Dudley, son, unm, 21, Ag Lab, b. Kempston
Clara Dudley, Granddau, 3, b. do.

Same address or next door:
Henry Sanders, head, 28, Bricklayer, b. do.
Mary, wife, 37, Laundress, b. do.
Sarah A, dau, 1 mth, b. do.

Does the name Sarah A match with what you know?

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Re: 1851/1861 census Kempston
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 11:22 BST (UK) »

Hi Tanja!
Thank you so much that definitely looks like them!  You have no idea what this means, I have been searching so long!!!
I have Henry & Mary's marriage certificate (1857, Shropshire), where Henry was stated as a bricklayer, and their 2nd child was Sarah Ann, bap April 1861 at Kempston.  Is there any sign of additional children?  My ancestor was their son Dudley John Sanders, b 1859 (also bap April 1861 at Kempston).

Many many thanks!
Kelley in NZ
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Re: 1851/1861 census Kempston
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 11:29 BST (UK) »

Well, there were no other children at home (sorry, I don't have 1851)

... But I was just about to post you the 1871 I have found for Ann Dudley:

High Street Kempston

Ann Dudley, head, 73, Pauper, b. Marston
Benjamin, son, unm, 31, Butler Domestic, b. Kempston
Dudley Sanders, Grandson, 11, scholar, b. Worcester

RG10/1542
Folio 78 p. 16

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Re: 1851/1861 census Kempston
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 11:34 BST (UK) »

In 1861,

Dudley was visiting someone in Kempston:
RG9/990
Folio 103 p. 29
Kempston
'Up End' (?)
William Chandler, head, 28, Ag Lab, b. Kempston
Betsy Chandler, wife, 36, Lace Maker, b. Colmworth (?)
Dudley J Sanders, visitor, 1, not known where born

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Re: 1851/1861 census Kempston
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 11:52 BST (UK) »

Tanja that is fantastic!  I'm off to bed now (11pm here), so will digest in the morning!  Thank you I am overwhelmed!!

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Re: 1851/1861 census Kempston
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 21 June 05 20:29 BST (UK) »

Hi Kelley

Here's some Dudleys from 1851
Town, Kempston HO107/1751 page 20
Ann Dudley head widow 53 pauper (laundress) born Marston Moretaine
Maria A Dudley dau unmarr 14 scholar b Kempston
Benjamin Dudley son 11 scholar b Kempston

2 doors away was

Edwin Dudley head marr 46 Farmer of 144 acres employing 6 men and 1 boy and baker master employing 4 men and 1 boy born Kempston
Martha Dudley wife 50 farmer & bakers wife b Wootton Beds
Jesse Dudley son 16 b Kempston
John Dudley son 12 scholar b Kempston
Edwin Dudley son 10 scholar b Kempston
Mary A Ellis servant 19 b Wootton
George Boston servant 14 b Kempston

No sign of a 27 year old Mary I'm afraid. Perhaps she was already in Shropshire


1841 (ages over 15 should be rounded down to the nearest 5 below, so 40 would be an actual age of 40-44)

HO107/006 Folio 9B
WoodEnd Kempston
John Dudley 40 ag lab
Ann Dudley 40 lace maker
Ruth Dudley 12 lace maker
Sarah Dudley 10
Emma Dudley 7
Maria Dudley 4
Benjamin Dudley 2
All born Bedfordshire

Folio 11A
Boxside Farm Kempston
John Freshwater 40 farmer
+ family
+ Mary Dudley 17 FS (female servant) born Beds

Regards

David

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: 1851/1861 census Kempston
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 22 June 05 03:38 BST (UK) »

Thank you so much David!  That is an enormous help to me, these people have eluded me for so long!
I wonder if I could trouble you further to see if Henry SANDERS was also in Kempston in 1841 or 51 (son of George Sanders).  He would have been born around 1833 (thanks to the info received from Tanja, above, from the 1861 census).  This is the Henry who married Mary Dudley in Shropshire in 1857.
Many many thanks for your help anyway, this has already been a huge breakthrough!
Best wishes,

Kelley in NZ
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Re: 1851/1861 census Kempston
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 22 June 05 03:43 BST (UK) »

Tanja thank you again for all your help, I have lots more names to follow up on now!  Was there any sign of Henry & Mary Sanders in Kempston in 1871 when Dudley was with his grandmother Ann Dudley, by any chance?  Don't worry if it's a hassle to look into this further, believe me I am so grateful for all your help!

Many thanks & best wishes from NZ
Kelley Cheesy
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Re: 1851/1861 census Kempston
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 22 June 05 05:42 BST (UK) »

Sorry Kelley, I couldn't see George and Henry in either 1841 or 1851

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: 1851/1861 census Kempston
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 22 June 05 05:53 BST (UK) »

... And I couldn't find any of them except Dudley in 1871, though I have tried everything I could think of  Angry   
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Re: 1851/1861 census Kempston
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 22 June 05 08:30 BST (UK) »

Oh well never mind, thank you both so much for your help!
Cheesy Cheesy
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