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Topic: St Anthonys, Walkers, Newcastle Upon Tyne (Read 3137 times)
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Michael Dixon
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AngelFish,
Just a little on St Anthony of Padua, Roman Catholic Church in Walker.
In 1800s the term "Parish" only applied to a patch of land that was ecclesiastically "controlled" by a Church ( of England). Other denominations ( referred to then as "non-conformists"), did not use the term "Parish".
St Anthony of Padua (RC) started in 1860 and is still going.
Maybe why, it does not get a mention on Genuki, is that Genuki describes the hierarchy of Churches of England, it simlpy lists other churches and says where there can be viwed.
Also St Anthony of Padua's church records were only offered up to Tyne&Wear Archives for copying, within last 18 months or so ( a long story... but not here ! ).
On a geographical basis, St Anthony of P, lay within the territory of the Parish of Longbenton ( C of E )
Parish of Longbenton ( like all parishes) was sub-divided into "Townships", Longbenton village itself, Killingworth, Weetslade and Walker. So Longbenton Parish went right down to the bank of the Tyne, between the Parishes of All Saints, Newcastle and of Wallsend.
All BMDs within Longbenton Parish were required to be registered within the District Register Office of Tynemouth
( but shoe leather could be saved... Tynemouth DRO was divided into Sub-District Register Offices, 7 of them, and one was at Longbenton village.
And I will finish this ramble on the fact that many censuses record a person's " Parish( C of E ) of birth" and not a
" Place of Birth".
Michael Dixon,
Blyth ( with one half in Horton Parish and other half in Earsdon Parish.. in C19th terms)
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John G.
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Just a correction St. Anthony of Padua RC, was built in 1860 in the Parish of Walker not Longbenton. As Walker became a Parish in it's own right in 1848 when Christ Church C of E was built, the Parish Church of Walker.
Walker never belonged to Longbenton. Until 1715 it was owned by individuals. Then the Corporation of Newcastle upon Tyne bought the Lordship or Manor of Walker from the executors of William Dickenson for £12,200. Then in 1904 by an Act of Parliament, it became part (Suburb) of Newcastle upon Tyne.
On BDMs, all certificates pertaining to Walker are now held at the Civic Centre, Newcastle upon Tyne.
On St. Anthony of Padua, it has changed a lot from when I was married there.
John G. 
Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne
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Michael Dixon
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John G,
The History of Longbenton Parish ( on www.genuki.com) still says that Longbenton Parish covered down to the River Tyne and one of it's "townships" was Walker.
And between 1837 and 1930, all BMDs that happened in Walker and in the entire Longbenton Parish were recorded within the District Register of Tynemouth.
Today some of these BMD records may well be held at the Newcastle Civic Centre. ( Some other BMDS that happened in other parts of Longbenton are today held at North Shields DRO).
But if someone was trying to trace a BMD, say in late 1800s, that took place in Walker, it would still be listed under Tynemouth DRO, not Newcastle DRO, in General Record Office Indexes.
Michael Dixon
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John G.
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Dear Michael,
Sorry to say Genuki is wrong, I have copy of Deeds & other records that state Manor or Lordship of Walker. Never a Township.
The definition of "Parish" Subdivision of Diocese, having it's own church and clergyman". So once Walker got it's own Church & Clergyman it was no longer part of Longbenton Parish. And Longbenton Parish no longer went to the River Tyne from 1848.
As for BDMs, I said pertaining to Walker. I never mentioned other parts Longbenton BDMS. Under Civil Registration states the area is divided between North Tyneside & Newcastle Registration Districts.
Of course, if you were checking for BDM in the GRO, Walker would be listed under Tynemouth. And if you applied for certificate from Southport, you would state that. But if you wanted to get the certificate personally. Then you will go to the Civic Centre, Newcastle.
John G.
Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne
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Michael Dixon
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John,
Just another couple of angles where Walker and Longbenton are linked ( I know nothing about " ownership")
If one was looking for someone in Walker on the 1851 Census, one short-cut would be to locate the series of Surname Indexes Booklets, published by the Northumberland and Durham Family History Society ( I use the set in Blyth Library... there is also one in Newcastle City Library, second floor, and also in Tyne & Wear Archives, Blandford Square) ... and find the listing of the target together with the census ref number to enable a quick look-up of the appropriate census page....
But there are about 50 different booklets for Northumberland... and in which one would Walker folk appear ?... the Longbenton Booklet, alongside folk from Weetslade, Killingworth and Longbenton itself.
On to the 1881 Census... if I was looking on FamilySearch for say Allan and Catherine Mc Lean, whose youngest , Hugh was born in Walker in Feb 1881, in Fisher Street, close to Hunter's Tile Sheds, I would fairly easily find the household, but I would be puzzled as Walker does not figure in the census address, but Longbenton does.
In fact if I used the pull -down menu on the search page, for all the places in Northumberland, Walker is just not listed.
So even up to 1881, Longbenton has some connection to Walker.
Even my home town Blyth the biggest around that area by far, did not rate on 1881 or even on 1901 as a census place , a bit of it referred to as Cowpen, another as Horton and another as Newsham.
Michael Dixon
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Lowell, Ma, USA
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John G.
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Dear Michael,
You are splitting hairs on the 1851 Index books. Check the actual 1851 Census of Walker, and it has Ecclesiastical District Walker. Village of Walker Iron Works & Wincomblee, Walker Oil Mill & Low Walker.
1861 Census no mention of Longbenton except the Registrar Sub District. Village-Walker
1871 Census is the same 1861.
1891 Census.-Walker
As for the 1881 Census are you saying that Walker does not exist. Check the Actual 1881 census Records it definitely does.
The only connection of Longbenton to Walker after 1848 is the Registrar's Sub District.
All Leases were issued by Newcastle Corporation from 1723, even when Walker was in the parish of Longbenton & still issued Leases after Walker became a parish in it's right. Lonbenton had no jurisdiction over Walker affairs, except in the Church prior to 1848.
Check St. Batholomew's, Longbenton, and where a baptism or death occurred it gives an area or address & it mentions Walker, not Longbenton. Example; Sharpers House Farm, Walker.
I think enough has been said on this matter, as it looks you will not accept what I have been trying to explain to you. So be it.
But I live in Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne. Not Longbenton.
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walkerlad
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hello there.
i live in the walker area, just up the road from all the churches mentioned, i can confirm that:
st anthonys of padua is still there ( catholic)
st anthonys of egypt is still there ( c of e) mother was married there and she is not catholic.
the lord raglan pub was demolished easily 10 years ago.
there is also christ church (walker parish church) in walker and that is c of e.
i hope this helps
regards
michael
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