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Burto
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Hi,
Just wondering if anyone could help me. I'm trying to find the parents of Selina(h) Smith b. 1852 in Mansfield. Her Grandmother was Ann Hingley according to the 1861 census. Any info on her parents would be greatfully received.
Thanks for your time.
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Steve Ley
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Here she is from the NFHS baptism transcript;
PLACE DATE BORN CNAME FNAME MNAME MSURN FSURN ABODE PROF Record
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N=P 04/10/1868 03 03 1853 Selina Agnes Thomas Ann HINGLEY SMITH 271703
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Here are all the baptisms for Thomas and Ann from the transcript;
PLACE DATE BORN CNAME FNAME MNAME MSURN FSURN ABODE PROF Record
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N=P 29/08/1868 16 04 1843 Gertrude Sarah Ann Thomas Ann HINGLEY SMITH 271694
N=P 04/10/1868 03 03 1853 Selina Agnes Thomas Ann HINGLEY SMITH 271703
N=P 31/01/1869 02 10 1864 Thomas Joseph Thomas Ann HINGLEY SMITH 271740
N=P 31/01/1869 Harriett Francis Thomas Ann HINGLEY SMITH 271741
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Burto
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Thanks for that!
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Burto
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Can anyone tell me what N=P stands for? She was born in Mansfield but on another source I have her down as Selina Frances rather than Agnes? Also is there a marriage for Thomas and Ann? I'm a bit puzzled because I can't find them on the 1881 census either considering they had their last kid 12 years previously?
Thanks.
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Heather DD
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Hi 
N=P is the abbreviation for Nottingham St Patrick Roman Catholic Church
Can't see them either but a possible marriage?
23 July 1838 Saint Alkmund Derby
Ann Hingley (father Thomas Hingley) and Thomas Smith (father John Smith)
source extracted IGI entry
Selina and likely big sister (Gertrude) Sarah Ann in 1871
1871 RG10 3505
Henry Street, Sneinton
Mary Hingley head wid 47 nurse Devonshire Lovington?
Mary A dau 22 Derbyshire Duffield
George J son 21 do
Harriet dau 18 Notts Mansfield
James J son 16 Derbyshire Duffield
George H gson 2 month Sneinton
Jane Harrison lodger 28 Derby
Sarah Ann Smith lodger 27 Derbyshire Duffield
Selina Smith lodger 18 Mansfield
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Burto
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Hi Heather,
Thanks for that. Selina got married in December 1871, so maybe her moving down to Nottingham was how she met her husband?I wonder if the Hingley's were from Devonshire? I know the Widow's mentioned but it's a long way for a pre marriage relationship! How interesting. And Roman Catholics?! My Grandmother was C of E!
What is interesting is the Harriett mentioned...I know Selina had a sister called Harriett and this one was born in Mansfield too? All the others even James were born Duffield..they must have been back and forth!
Out of interest, where does Selina appear in the 1861?
Just had a look where St. Alkmunds is and it's in Duffield too so it must be the right Thomas and Ann with this Duffield connection.
Many thanks.
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Gardener
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 I'm not at all sure that these are all yours but see what you think
1851
King Street,Duffield
Thomas Smith,head,m,35,railway labourer,Staffs,Bilston
Ann Smith,wife,m,32,Derby,Duffield
Sarah Ann Smith,dau,9,scholar,Staffs,Bilston
Enoch Smith,son,7,scholar,Derby,Duffield
Alice Adelade Smith,dau,3,Aberdare ?? ,Wales
John Thomas Smith,son,6m,Derbys,Duffield
Hannah Day,lodger,u,20,seamstress,Derby,Duffield
HO107-2144/140
1861
Henry St,Snelland,Notts
Thomas Smith,head,46,gas fitter,Bilstone,Staffs
Ann Smith,wife,42,seamstress,Duffield,Derbys
Susanna Smith,dau,19,seamstress,Bilstone,Staffs
Enoch Smith,son,17,factory operative,Duffield,Derbys
John Smith,son,11,Duffield,Derbys
Alice Smith,dau,13,seamstress,Aberdare,Glamorgan
Harriett Smith,dau,1,Snenton,Notts
RG9-2452/12
1871
72 Arkwright St,Nottingham
John Shaw,head,45,millwright & tool fitter,Lancs,Manchester
Ann Shaw,wife,50,Derbys,Duffield
Harriet Smith,dau in law,11,scholar,Notts,Nottingham
Tom Smith,son in law,6,scholar,Notts,Nottingham
+2 boarders
RG10-3526/7
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Gardener
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And this in the 1841
King St,Duffield
Thomas Hingley,60,labourer,y
Ann ditto,60,y
Thomas ditto,35,frame w knitter,y
Ann ditto,35,y
Joseph ditto,15,labourer,y
Ann Smith,20,y (same household but mark between)
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Gardener
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OK, now I'm convinced. Joseph seems to have married the Mary from the 1871 above (Heathr's post).
1851 Town St, Duffield
Joseph Hingley,head,27,Stone Cutter,Derby,Duffield
Mary Hingley,wife,30,Devon,Tarrington
Mary Ann Hingley,dau,3,Derby,Duffield
George Thomas Hingley,son,1,Derby, Duffield
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Heather DD
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Nice finds Gardener
And just to back up that 1871 with Tom and Harriet Smith as step children ..
Likely marriage at Nottingham St Saviour 23 Nov 1870, John Shaw and Ann Smith
Burial Thomas Smith age 50 at Sneinton 07/03/1866, abode Henry Street
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Burto
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Sorry for appearing thick but can you explain where my ancestors come into this? I'm confused!
Also why hasn't Selina appeared in the 1861 family? She'd only be 9 so she should be on there?
So Joseph Hingley was Selina's uncle and she lodged with her aunt in 1871?
Also Enoch and Alice aren't mentioned on that baptism record?
Thanks.
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Heather DD
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Hi Burto,
you already told us yourself that Selina was with grandmother Ann Hingley in 1861 ...or that's how I read it 
I suppose we're lucky they baptised any of their children! By the time they got round to it 1868/9, I'm guessing a fair few of the children had already flown the nest
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Burto
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Yes I know, that's what I mean, why would Selina go and live with her Grandmother when the other kids were still at home? And why would Sarah Ann get baptised but not Alice?
So Ann Smith remarried in 1871 to a Shaw and Selina lived with her uncle..is that right?! Have I got it?! I'm having trouble keeping up...seems like they were all over the place! It's like an episode of Eastenders!
So Selina's mother, Ann's father was Thomas Hingley born in Duffield and her father Thomas Smith was born in Bilston Staffs? Phew! Wonder where the trip to Wales came from?!
Thanks for all your help. Any reason why they travelled around so much? All my other ancestors seem to have stayed in one place for a few generations?
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