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Topic: Pendlebury Railway Station? Also about the Acme Mill (Read 6693 times)
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Keith Sherwood
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Hi, Wallie,
Thanks so much for taking my case on board. At this rate this particular Lancashire thread could run and run. By the way, I was MOST impressed by your Wallwork website, all sorts of good things on there from this area of N.W.England...
Keith
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Keith Sherwood
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Hi again, Wallie,
Thanks so much for this. I have found William Dyson in the 1861 Census, and also his surviving widow, living with her family in the 1871 Census. However, I have not looked up who was occupying Green Street, (Pendleton) during these Censuses to see whether there was any family connection there, or perhaps some kind of infirmary or hospital.
The death certificate does plainly state "Pendlebury", though the only Green Street in the area is obviously the one in Pendleton you have so kindly pinpointed with this map.
And now an embarrassed admission - the "7" that I read, and thought went with "Green Street" is the schedule number or the number of the listing on the page of deaths. But as you, or Tallboy, have pointed out (thank goodness!), there only appear to be about 7 houses in the street anyway.
It may be that William and Betty Dyson just occupied one of the house in Green Street for a short while up to his death in 1869...
Very best wishes, (and a visit possibly imminent next month to the Salford area),
Keith
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Keith Sherwood
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Hi again, Wallie,
I should have considered this, and thanks for your Bolton example, however tragic it must have been for your family at the time...
Keith
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Keith Sherwood
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Wallie,
I've just had another thought, resulting in this question: on the excellent map you have displayed, are the lines shown in the middle of Broad Street tram lines, rather than railway lines?
Very best wishes,
Keith
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skb
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Wallie,
Your map is excellent. I'd be interested in one with that level of detail myself. Is it one of the Alan Godfrey ones?
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Byers (Salford & London) Stringfellow (Salford & Chorley) Holmes (Manchester & Birmingham) Goulding/Golden (Birmingham & Lincolnshire) Bassett (Manchester & Salford) Child (Lincolnshire) Belshaw (Salford) Hallsworth (Eccles & Salford) Vernon (Bury) Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Keith Sherwood
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Hi, Wallie,
Thought they might be tram lines, but just needed your expert opinion on it. So it didn't matter too much which side of the tracks you lived on, you simply walked across to whichever pub or billiard hall you preferred to patronise. A map such as this one simply brings the whole neighbourhood and local community to life - there's a picture theatre as well...
Keith
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Phill
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Keith,
I used to live on Church Street, just opposite the old Pendlebury Station on the A666.
A small proportion of the civil structure of the station still survives to this day.
I went down there and took some pictures, which will hopefully make it onto www.disused-stations.org.uk in due course (along with some images of what used to be Pendleton Station, which of course was the victim of arsonists and then neglect in the 1990's).
I've already done Worsley Station and Monton Green on there, Walkden Low Level is work in progress.
If you wish I could e-mail you some of the pics of "What's left of Pendlebury Station"!
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Keith Sherwood
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Phill,
Now, that would be wonderful if you could! So important to make a (photographic) record of places that people might soon only remember, once they have gone. I've PM-ed you with my e-mail address, so look forward to seeing some of those pictures.
Very best wishes,
keith
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Phill
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Swinton and Pendlebury Journal; Friday 3rd 1960
Station Closure is a Retrograde Step
Until four years ago there were five railway stations in Swinton and Pendlebury and neighbouring Irlams O Th Height. Then British Railways closed Irlams O Th Height station. Next stage was the decision to shutdown Pendlebury Station on Sundays. Now comes the latest move - the proposed closure of Pendlebury Station completely, because it is operating uneconomically. This will leave the Borough with only Swinton, Moorside, and Clifton Junction Stations. Which will be the next to go? It was suggested at a meeting of the Borough Council on Monday - when it was agreed that a protest should be lodged with the Transport Commission - that it may be Moorside.
Mr Whitehead said the closing of Pendlebury Station on Sundays was the thin end of the wedge, with millions being spent on highways to cope with the rapidly growing traffic and they were told traffic would ultimately multiply threefold by 1974. Yet British Railways went on closing stations which might in time provide relief for desperately overburdened roads. People who use buses between Manchester and Wigan through the Borough had enough experience of that already.
The next thing would be the closing of Moorside Station, yet if thought appeared to be given, for instance to the number of people who use the local station so well for day and half day excursions in the summer, besides which there were big industrial developments in the Clifton Valley, to where men could have been after they bought from outside areas on the Wigan side.
Their Duty
British Railways have made an excellent case for closing the station he said, but it is their duty to provide a service that meets the needs of the public. They may say that people will not go to the station, but if the service is attractive enough, they will go.
Mrs Crompton also thought the closure of retrograde step. Whenever one travelled home about teatime and saw the great queues for buses, knowing that people would lose 30 or 40 minutes of their evening in the struggle to get home, one wondered why the public seem to have forgotten the value of the railway.
Shortsighted
Councillor Sharples for British Railways were shortsighted in closing the station. It would affect people use the train to get to work and there was apparently no thought for future traffic using the station with the development of Agecroft Colliery. If they would only brighten up the stations, they would attract some of the people who are congesting the roads.
Councillor Shaw disagreed and said he could not see people travelling from Wigan getting off at Pendlebury and walking a couple of miles to Agecroft because there were no bus fares from Pendlebury Station to Agecroft. After all, a station was like a business and must be run economically.
As one who went to Wigan regularly, Councillor Harrison said he would be one affected by the closure, although there were time when he appeared to be the only passenger, he had to admit.
To go instead to Swinton station would add 7d to the fare and at least 10 minutes to the journey. He added I support the protest although I fear the evidence is against us
Many use the station in summer of course, and if it was closed the railway would lose altogether the custom of those who normally travel from Manchester to there.
Councillor Suggate said that although the station was not economic at the moment it did not mean it could not be made so ultimately following the redevelopment of Pendlebury, which was to come, they were going to need alternative means of travel.
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It later transpired that shutting the station would save £2,199 per year
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Swinton and Pendlebury Journal, Friday October 7, 1960
Death of a station
Swinton man makes late-night trips just to be last
The 11:21 train from Manchester arrived at Pendlebury Station on Saturday night. There were only six people aboard, and one of them was a man who had made a special trip to Pendleton just to be on the train, for, with the closure of the station, it was the last train to stop at Pendlebury. The man was 37-years-old shopkeeper Mr Jackson, proprietor of 419 Chorley Road, Swinton.
Mr Jackson makes something of a hobby travelling on last trains. When he lived at Crumpsall, Manchester he travelled to Irlams o th Height to perform a similar solitary private ceremony in connection with the closure of the station there. He obtained the last ticket issued at Irlams o th Height station on March 3, 1956.
On Saturday, Mr Jackson caught the Manchester bound train from Pendlebury at 10:48 p.m. to Pendleton and returned on the 11:16 train to see the porter at Pendlebury Mr D. White extinguish the gas lamps on the station, close the doors for the last time and issue Mr Jackson with the last ticket, from Pendlebury to Swinton. Mr Jackson has travelled to many parts of Britain for more than 10 years in connection with the closure of railway lines, stations and tram routes.
The day after the closure of Pendlebury Station he took part in a 44-mile tour by three special tram cars in Sheffield to mark the abandonment of tramways there. Tomorrow he hopes to ride in one of the last Sheffield tramcars used for the final ceremonial procession in the evening.
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Keith Sherwood
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Phill,
This is wonderful! Having received those photos from you as well, I really feel that this subject couldn't have been more fully covered now...
Very best wishes,
Keith
p.s. I wonder whether the amazing Mr Jackson added some more "last trains stopping at..." after 1960...
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bab1127
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Thank you so much. I was not sure if the "Acme Mill" was the only one in Pendlebury in 1871. Thanks again for heading me in this direction
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Keith Sherwood
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Bab,
Welcome to Rootschat, the most amazing source of all kinds of fascinating family history. If you had an interest in the mills in this area, there's a huge amount of detail on this thread, as you've probably discovered. No thanks to me, I just posed a question or two and several people with good local knowledge came to my rescue and set it down for me or for anyone else interested.
Nice to see this thread come to life again, first time since May last year...
Regards, keith
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