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Re: Help with dechipering Will text 1856
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 09 July 05 13:00 BST (UK) »

Hi Rob
Have emailed you the will to look at .

I think you may have mis-read my msg re: which word it was in the 2nd help text regards Falconer - the word 'residing' (after Isabella Latta) above it  is indeed easy - it's the word after Falconer which was less so - it's most definitely not 'residing' and I'm sure now it is 'Hozier'.

The part of the document   (all written by the same hand as I mentioned earlier) re: STEELE/HALL is not the actual Will bit, it's the end-part of  the deposition by one of the Executors re: the testators death, so it won't be in the original will?

Anyway, we look forward to hearing your final verdict  Grin
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Re: Help with dechipering Will text 1856
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 10 July 05 22:30 BST (UK) »

Ann,

First I totally agree that the word after Falconer is Hozier, in fact I am of no doubt.

With regards the signature on the deposition that John Latta had died.  I am still convinced that the surname is HALL and not STEELE however I would only say I was 50% certain now that I have blown it up.  There is a possible squiggle at the top of the first line which could indicate an S however this is so faint as to have me discount it.

Although you are correct that the deposition is not a part of the original will, the whole text as you see it as been copied by the same person into the pages that these were taken from, the original will probably having been destroyed

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Re: Help with dechipering Will text 1856
« Reply #17 on: Monday 11 July 05 04:13 BST (UK) »

Thanks Rob for taking the time with that

Genealogy-wise, I have gotten my money's worth from this document, and HALL/STEELE I feel is probably a clerk of the offices,bearing witness,anyway, as has been suggested before.

Thanks again to Nell & Prue for their help also.
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Re: Help with dechipering Will text 1856
« Reply #18 on: Monday 11 July 05 04:21 BST (UK) »

No worries Anne.  I wish more people would post these types of requests, they're great fun!  Give the brain (and the eyes  Shocked ) a good workout.
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Re: Help with dechipering Will text 1856
« Reply #19 on: Monday 18 July 05 22:18 BST (UK) »

Hi there
I live in Dumbarton and thought you might be interested to know that my friend lives round the corner from me in Latta Street !Must be a connection .
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Re: Help with dechipering Will text 1856
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 19 July 05 07:28 BST (UK) »

Hi MrsT
I have heard of Latta Street there in Dumbarton, and believe it was named for the family of John LATTA  b1788-d 1874, who was at one stage a prominent counciller/town clerk, and a tanner, and his son Robert LATTA b1830-d1908  who succeeded him in the Tannery.  John's father was appparently also named Robert, and I believe his mother may have been Agnes CRUMB but not yet confirmed this.

I am trying to tie up the Dumbarton LATTA's and as yet I can't manage to link William LATTA b 1806-d1856 (he of the will above) whose father was also named William, to the "Latta St" lot!  By dates, William Snr could be a brother of John the tanner. But intriguingly, they both appear to have married a woman named Janet LANG. I don't think it's the same woman, as John's Janet was born abt 1800 (if a woman I found in C81 is her AND if the age she gave in it is correct Wink ) while William Snr's Janet was having children in the early 1800's.   The William LATTA group seem to be very much involved in the shipping occupations.

As always, it'll all seem clear as crystal once one has spent countless hours at large, and a good few quid on Scotlands People  Grin - all part of the fun of the chase :-)  Sigh, I wish I lived over there and could go on wonderful hunting safari's !

Thanks for your message !
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Re: Help with dechipering Will text 1856
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 19 July 05 11:10 BST (UK) »

My tuppence-worth is that I'd lean towards Steele, but wouldn't rule out Hall before I had a chance to see elsewhere how this clerk forms his capitals.

BTW, the hand is far from pure Secretary hand, but a reasonably modern hand, retaining a few elements of Secretary hand, particularly in the capitals; and is that a yogh in the middle of the occupation?, - see http://www.scottishhandwriting.com/content/default.asp?page=s4_3_15

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Re: Help with dechipering Will text 1856
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 19 July 05 20:08 BST (UK) »

Well Ann , you would need to take a bloody big umberella to go on safari here in Dumbarton . Cannot believe it is July and is pouring with rain .  Cheesy
Looks like you have got it sussed with the family investigation but if you need any info on Sunny Dumbarton let me know
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Re: Help with dechipering Will text 1856
« Reply #23 on: Monday 21 November 05 22:35 GMT (UK) »

it seems to me that there is a piece of the paper at the end of the name missing and the name could be w c hector.
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Re: Help with dechipering Will text 1856
« Reply #24 on: Friday 02 December 05 17:48 GMT (UK) »

Hi all

Not to throw a spanner in the works - but from the small piece of the document that you have scanned, it does not appear that it is a will but either a page from the "Dead" Book in the Commissariot of North Strathclyde at Dumbarton or a copy of the original Confirmation of the Estate - which may be one in the same back then.

The other name (I think) will be the witness to the Oath taken by the Executor at the time of application for Confirmation of the Estate.  Nowadays the Executor makes a declaration rather than taking an Oath.

If the document comes from the Scotlands People site, it appears that it is often the Confirmation that is online (well the ones I have downloaded anyway)

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