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Andrea64
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Looking for parents or information of any kind on Thomas Tipper and Elizabeth Bromley. They are the parents of my ggg grandfather Robert Tipper. Robert Tipper was born around 1840 in Radford. He had at least one brother, Frederick Tipper born about 1843 also in Radford. I have a copy of Frederick's birth certificate that lists parents as Thomas Tipper and Elizabeth Bromley. This is as far back as I can trace.
What I do have is Robert Tipper married Salina or Salena (maiden name unknown). Salina was from Smethwick. In 1861 census Robert and Salina living in North Harborne, Staffordshire. They came to United States around 1863.
Can anyone help with either Tipper or Bromley relatives?
Andrea
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1841 census
HO 107/860/7 - Radford
Sch. 11, Page 14
Aspley Terrace
TIPPER
Thomas, aged 35yrs - lace maker - not born in county
Elizabeth, aged 35yrs
Sarah, aged 15yrs - cotton doubler - nbic
Jane, aged 15yrs - cotton doubler - nbic
Elizabeth, aged 14yrs
Maria, aged 12yrs - lace drawer - nbic
Julia, aged 8yrs - lace drawer
Edward, aged 4yrs
Robert, aged 2yrs
Thomas , aged 2 months
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as above
Sch. 15, Page 23
Juliet BRAMLEY, aged 65yrs - cotton winder, living with a family called SIMS (looks like)
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Steve Ley
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Here is the marriage of Thomas and Elizabeth from the NFHS marriage transcript;
DATE MSURNAME MFIRSTNAME FSURNAME FFIRSTNAME PLACE Record
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31/12/1822 TIPPER Thomas BRAMLEY Elizabeth N-M 168924
And from the NFHS baptism transcript;
Record PLACE DATE BORN CNAME FNAME MNAME FSURN MSURN ABODE PROF
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184142 RAD 10/09/1843 Frederick Thomas Elizabeth TIPPER Radford Lace Maker
256966 N=B 21/12/1845 26 08 1839 Robert Thomas Elizabeth TIPPER BRAMLEY
257144 N=B 25/10/1846 12 10 1846 Mary Ann Thomas Elizabeth TIPPER BRAMBY
179524 RAD 20/01/1828 Elizabeth Thomas Elizabeth TIPPER Radford Cordwainer
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Valda
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From the IGI
THOMAS TIPPER
Spouse: ELIZABETH BRAMLEY Marriage: 31 DEC 1822 Saint Mary, Nottingham, Nottingham, England
Looks a little early for the ages on the 1841 census, even though ages on that census for adults are not exact - rounded up or down to the nearest 5.
ELIZABETH TIPPER
Christening: 20 JAN 1828 Radford, Nottingham, England
Father: THOMAS TIPPER
Mother: ELIZABETH
JULIA BRAMLEY TIPPER
Christening: 26 JAN 1834 Lenton, Nottingham, England
Father: THOMAS TIPPER Family
Mother: ELIZABETH
THOMAS TIPPER
Christening: 16 SEP 1832 Lenton, Nottingham, England
Death: 02 DEC 1832
Father: THOMAS TIPPER Family
Mother: ELIZABETH
THOMAS TIPPER
Christening: 17 JAN 1836 Lenton, Nottingham, England
Father: THOMAS TIPPER Family
Mother: ELIZABETH
1861 census RG9 2447 folio 117 Zion Hall Wreston? Row Brewhouse Yard Nottinghamshire
Mary Ann Cope 25 Radford, Nottinghamshire, Head Unmarried Silk Winder
Sarah Cope 23 Radford, Nottinghamshire, Sister Unmarried Cotton Doubler
Emma Cope 20 Radford, Nottinghamshire, Sister Unmarried Silk Winder
Eliza Cope 18 Radford, Nottinghamshire, Sister Unmarried Silk Winder
Elizabeth Tipper 56 Radford, Nottinghamshire, Visitor Married Lace Worker
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Valda
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Heather DD
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Where ages are rounded in 1841 they are rounded down, so Elizabeth would be age 35-39 in 1841.
There is a baptism for Elizabeth Bramley at Nottingham St Mary 24/06/1804 to John and Juliet, which looks quite likely.
Heather
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Heather DD
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Other children of John and Juliet Bramley baptised at Nottingham St Mary
Sarah 09/09/1799
Richard 25/11/1800
Ann 16/10/1806
Harriet 16/12/1813 (here they were living on Pomfret Street and John described as framework knitter)
Marriage of John Bramley and Juliet Bouchere at Nottingham St Mary 03/09/1798
Edit: missed a few to John and Julia Bramley at Nottingham St Mary
Harriet 01/11/1815
Walter 21/01/1811
Charlotte 11/09/1802
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Valda
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Though the instructions for writing the age on the 1841 census is always down
Column 4 Age and Sex
The instructions read: For persons aged 15 years and upwards it is sufficient to state within what period of five years their age is, writing down the lowest number of that period: thus for persons aged 15 and under 20, write 15 - for 20 and under 25, write 20 ... but the exact age may be stated if the person prefers it. For persons under 15, write in the number of years; for infants under one year the number of months.
Experience teaches me this is a very moveable feast and Thomas may prove to be somewhat older than his potential upper limit of 39 on the 1841 census, particularly for instance if he was 40 in the year of the census, but after the census was taken, or he miscalculated his age by a year. That is why I gave the leeway of up or down within the 5 year band, as always presuming down can be misleading.
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Valda
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Heather DD
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Yes I agree census ages on any census need to be approached with an open mind. Was just pointing out that the "form" was to round down rather than up - I've been caught out too many times to presume anything 
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Andrea64
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So, let me see if I have this correct:
John Bramley and Juliet (Julia) Bouchere married 03/09/1798
Children:
Sarah 09/09/1799
Richard 25/11/1800
Charlotte 11/09/1802
+Elizabeth 24/6/1804
Ann 16/10/1806
Harriet 16/12/1813
Walter 21/01/1811
Harriet 01/11/1815 (first Harriet died?)
Elizabeth Bramley married Thomas Tipper 31/12/1822 Saint Mary, Nottingham. Thomas Tipper not from Nottingham? Thomas Tipper occupation: Lace Maker, Cordwainer
Children:
Sarah
Jane
Elizabeth 20/01/1828 Christening in Radford
Maria
Thomas 16/09/1832 died 02/12/1832
Julia 26/01/1834 Christening in Lenton
Edward
Thomas 17/01/1836 Christening in Lenton
+Robert 26/08/1839 Christening
Frederick 28/08/1843
Mary Ann 12/10/1846
Please check what I have. Any way of finding parents of Thomas Tipper? Not sure where he was born. Also would like to find information on Robert's wife Salina born in Smethwick. I don't know her maiden name.
Thank you all for this information!
Andrea
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Valda
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For Thomas Tipper's birthplace the easiest way is to find him on the 1851 census and hope his birthplace is given, and of course that he was still alive.
FreeBMD looks like it might be unlikely that he was still alive
TIPPER, Thomas 1840 March Deaths Radford Nottinghamshire
TIPPER, Thomas 1845 June Deaths Radford Nottinghamshire
in which case it is hard, because if the information on the 1841 census is correct all you know about his birthplace is that it was outside the county of Nottinghamshire. Proving which Thomas might be your Thomas from possibilities on the IGI (which by no means has a 100% coverage) could be difficult.
If Thomas was dead by the time of the 1851 census I would check the marriage entry in 1822 to see whether it was by banns or licence. From Thomas' possible age on the 1841 census it might be that he married underage. If he did so and admitted it, then on the banns or on the licence there should be some evidence of a relative giving their permission for the marriage. Nottinghamshire marriage licences, parish records including banns, will all be held by Nottinghamshire Record Office.
For Selina if Robert's marriage isn't on FreeBMD I would check 1837online and order the marriage, or a birth certificate of one of the children. With her maiden name you can try to find her and her family in Smethwick on the 1851 census.
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Valda
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Heather DD
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I had a look at 1851 but couldn't immediately see them - very few Tipper entries on the index but I will double check when I get a minute.
This looks like Elizabeth in 1861. Apologies if you already have this
RG9 2447 117 5
Brewhouse Yard Nottingham
Mary Ann Cope unmarhead 25 silk winder Radford
Sarah sister unmar 23 cotton dobler? Radford
Emma sister unmar 20 silk winder Radford
Eliza sister unmar 18 silk winder Radford
Elizabeth Tipper visitor married 56 lace worker Radford
Marriage of Frederick Cope and Harriet Brambley Radford St Peter 23/03/1835.
I will also look for the Cope family in 1851 and try and tie them all together.
If this is Elizabeth and nieces it strengthens the case for her being the daughter of John and Julia/Juliet. Please bear with me on that one if no-one else helps out first!
Of course that also suggests Thomas was still alive in 1861....maybe ?
Not sure what to make of this one, but it's a possible?
RG9 2088 120 12
Knowle, Suckley, Worcs
boarding with a Wood family from Herts
Thomas Tipper boarder married 60 cordwainer Worcs. Lower Mitton
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Heather DD
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No sign of the Tipper family in Notts 1851, sorry.
But here is the Cope family and the theory is looking good ...
HO107 2129 327 38
William Street New Radford
Harriet Cope head married 35 cotton winder Nottingham
Mary Ann dau 15 cotton dubler Radford
Sarah dau 14 cotton dubler Radford
Harriet dau 13 cotton dubler Nottingham
Emma dau 10 packer Radford
Eliza dau 8 France British subject
Julia dau 1 Radford
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Andrea64
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If I assume Thomas Tipper is dead by the time of 1861 census would his wife Elizabeth be listed as married?
RG9 2447 117 5
Brewhouse Yard Nottingham
Mary Ann Cope unmarhead 25 silk winder Radford
Sarah sister unmar 23 cotton dobler? Radford
Emma sister unmar 20 silk winder Radford
Eliza sister unmar 18 silk winder Radford
Elizabeth Tipper visitor married 56 lace worker Radford
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Andrea64
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Finally found Thomas Tipper in 1851 census. Living in North Harborne, Staffordshire or Worcestershire.
157 Spon Lane
Thomas Tipper 47 Derbyshire, Derby
Eliza 46 Nottinham
Eliza 22 Radford
Edward 13 Lenton?
Robert 11 Radford
Frederick 7 Radford
Mary Ann 4 Radford
Can't read Thomas occupation.
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