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Topic: Parish records/session minutes for Leslie in 1700s (Read 3277 times)
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Fransmoi
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My mother was descended from the Leslies of Dunlugas and I stumbled upon 3 pages of information listing the descendants for George LESLIE ( the younger) 1675 -1682.
The family were found in Cullen, Gamrie ,Banff and Dunlugas.
Looks like Hans George LESLIE was born to Sarah Leslie Mrs Goen and changed his surname to Leslie and inherited her uncle William LESLIE's estate Dunlugas on the River Deveron in 1811.
The web site is http://www.mit.edu/~dfm/genealogy/leslie.html but I found it by search engine Yahoo.com and typed in Leslie of Dunlugas. Hope it helps.Perhaps we have a link ?
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Grothenwell
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Hi Fransmoi,
I think Ysabeau is looking for her ancestors from the village of Leslie in Aberdeenshire.
I also have Leslie (the surname) ancestors from my Mum's side.
This link is a good one for me, as it's where my line joins the Leslie's
http://www.genealogy-quest.net/leslie_andrew_de.htm
There are a few interesting Leslie genealogy sites. It's worth a google. Seemingly the founder of the Lineage was a Hungarian named Bartolf who married King Malcolm's sister Beatrix and was given the land of Lessly (where the village is), and that is how the surname started de (of) Lessly. Hopefuly you'll find a link to your Leslie family line from there.
Sorry to but into your post Ysabeau. I know you'll forgive me. Good luck in your Leslie records search.
Grothenwell
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Aberdeenshire; Brechin, Robb, Clark, Hardie, Johnston, Watt, Elmslie, Milne, Harper, Adam, Edmond, Laing, Gibson, Aedie, Jameson, Tosche, Measonne, Anderson, Moir, Nicol, Burnet, Donaldson, Guthrie, Argo & Doverty.
Booth, Watson, Grothenwell, Ewen, Mackie, Simpson, Taylor, Davidson, Willox, Chalmers & Gordon
Still, Fraser, Robertson & Lumsden
Banffshire; Cruickshank, West
Caithness; Sutherland
Herefordshire & Worcester & Monmouthshire; Wagstaff, Jones &
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Fransmoi
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Just cannot open this one tho' I changed my settings. Can you check it please? I had not heard about the Hungarian origins and been surfing but would love to see this site.
My great great grandmother was Mary Leslie of Dunlugas who married Gordon McLeod , Loch Bay House 'a landowner' in Stein, Skye. Her father was Hans George Leslie of Dunlugas but now we see he was born to a Norwegian and took his wife's maiden name of Leslie. They then inherited Dunlugas from her childless uncle William Leslie 1738 -1811 but Hans sold the estate on the year of his death which might suggest he already knew of his impending demise in 1877.
Thank you so much.
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Fransmoi
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Some months down the line I now think that Sarah's son Hans Groen later Leslie was her brother William Leslie's heir.This fits better with the record that unmarried William left Dunlugas to his nephew.
Sarah's son Hans George Leslie had married in 1819 Mary Ramsay dtr of John Ramsay of Barra , Bourtie according to his son's obituary .
The next generation sees Hans George Leslie as an unmarried Lieutenant in the East India Company . He had outlived all his siblings and in his will he stipulates that Dunlugas is to be converted to cash and names as his heiress his 1st cousin Ada Elizabeth Ramsay 3rd daughter of James Ramsay of Bushey House, Hertfordshire. He died 14 Nov 1877.
In the 1881 census we find living at 4 Clarence Parade, Portsea , Hampshire :-
Ada E.Ramsay born Scotland aged 43 and her sister
Mary S.Ramsay born Bushey, Hertford .
Their income is from interest of money and they have 3 servants.
An Ada Elizabeth Ramsay was born at Belhelvie in 1835 to a James Ramsay and Maria Duff. Is this the same family?
I'd be grateful if anyone has access to the death details of James Ramsay of Bushey ,Hertford or probate info to see whether this is the chap married to Maria Duff .
His likely birth /baptism is 4 July 1797 at New Machar if we have the right family. I am grateful to fellow sleuth Ian Mathers for this.
A Guid New Year to Ane and All,
Fransmoi.
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newscot
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I have found the Parish Baptism records (through ScotlandsPeople) for George Graham Ramsay (Belhevie, 1837) which gives his parents as James Ramsay, son of John Ramsay of Barra and Maria Duff, only surviving daughter of General Duff. The England 1841Census shows him and his family living in Bushey, including his sisters Ada Elizabeth and Mary Susan. There are two older sisters (Maria and Margaret).
The family were still at Bushey in the 1851 census.
I believe James Ramsay died in 1860 in Herts. (probably at Bushey). By the 1871 census, the family were living in Hanover Square, Westminster, London.
Hope this helps.
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Fransmoi
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Very many thanks - It is becoming a habit to have the brickwalls broken down at Rootschat.
Thanks for this piece of the jigsaw.
Fransmoi.
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Fransmoi
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Is this your James ? If so he is the brother of my grt grt grt grandmother Mary Ramsay.
A fellow researcher Ian Mathers kindly provided me with the following -
"The IGI has:
Marriage of John INNES = Mary Ramsay on 25 June 1785 at Whitehall, Midlothian
JOHN INNES baptised on 7 May 1786 at Newmachar to John Innes and Maria [sic] Ramsay (obviously this was before he changed his name
MARY RAMSAY 29 JUN 1790 at New Machar – to John Ramsay & Mary Ramsay
ELIZABETH RAMSAY 19 FEB 1792 at New Machar – to John Ramsay & Mary Ramsay
JEAN RAMSAY 19 JUL 1794 at New Machar – to John Ramsay & Mary Ramsay
MARGARET RAMSAY 24 JAN 1796 at New Machar – to John Ramsay & Mary Ramsay
JAMES RAMSAY 04 JUL 1797 at New Machar – to John Ramsay & Mary Ramsay
ALEXANDER RAMSAY 08 APR 1799 at New Machar – to John Ramsay & Mary Ramsay
WILLIAM RAMSAY 27 NOV 1800 at New Machar – to John Ramsay & Mary Ramsay
HELEN RAMSAY 02 AUG 1804 at New Machar – to John Ramsay & Mary Ramsay
Of course we can’t rely on the IGI but on first sight that looks like a pretty good match to the MI inscription – but with additional children (who presumably died in infancy).
My conclusion from all this is that we can be reasonably sure that ‘your’ Mary Ramsay (wife of Hans George Leslie) is the Mary Ramsay baptised 29 June 1790 at Newmachar to John (Innes) Ramsay and Mary Ramsay – and now we see how we come to have a Ramsay=Ramsay marriage – not cousins or anything but another change of name to inherit lands and title.
Then we have the burials at Newmacher churchyard :-
RAMSAY of Barra
In memory of JOHN RAMSAY of Barra d.22 Aug. 1787 in 87th year. Mrs ISABELLA SHEPHERD his widow d. 18 Jan. 1803 in 54th year & of Mrs MARY RAMSAY their only child, the wife of JOHN INNES Advocate in Aberdeen, now JOHN RAMSAY of [/b[b]] Barra d. 18 Dec. 1811 in 43rd year.
This tomb & monument have been erected as a small testimony of grateful remembrance and affectionate regard on the part of the son-in-law and husband.
In this tomb are also interred the remains of the last mentioned JOHN RAMSAY of Barra d. 14 Apr. 1814 in 59th year. Of ISABELLA eldest dau. of said JOHN & MARY RAMSAY d. 12 Jan. 1803 in 16th year & ELIZABETH their 3rd dau. d. 11 Nov. 1818 in 26th year. Also the remains of their eldest son JOHN RAMSAY of Barra d.23 Oct. 1832 in 46th year & HELEN their youngest dau. d.19 Aug. 1850 aged 46. In this tomb are also deposited the remains of LEONORA SOPHIA wife of JOHN RAMSAY of Barra (only son of the last named JOHN RAMSAY) d.4 Feb. 1862 aged 24. (Her remains were removed in July 1863 to St.Matthew’s Churchyard, Old Meldrum.)
WILLIAM RAMSAY youngest son of JOHN & MARY RAMSAY of Barra b.22 Nov. 1800 - d.26 Nov.1881 aged 81.
SUSAN 3rd dau. of ALEXANDER INNES Esq. of Pitmedden b.21 Dec. 1802 - married 1st 15 Feb. 1831 to JOHN RAMSAY Esq., of Barra, 2ndly 24 Oct. 1844 to Capt. NARES R.N. d. Straloch 5 Aug. 1887 aged 84
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Major HENRY INNES NARES Leicestershire Regt. son of Capt. NARES R.N. and SUSAN his wife b. 19 Aug. 1845 - d.5 Sept. 1887 aged 42.
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D.O.M. ROBERTO GORDON of Strathloch. ALEXANDRO GORDON of Pitlurg. Anno MDCCL1 (1751)
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Sacred to the memory of Lieut.Gen. JOHN GORDON CUMING SKENE of Pitlurg & Dyce d. 6 Apr. 1828 & his spouse Mrs LUCKEN CRAWFORD GORDON d. 13 Dec. 1850 & ROBINA LUCAN (sic) GORDON their dau. d. 28 Dec. 1848. Erected by permission of JOHN RAMSAY of Barra.
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In memory of WILLIAM LESLYE Esq., lately residing at STRALOCH d.3 Apr. 1776 aged 67. This stone is erected by his affectionate widow MARY DUFF."
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My grt grt grt gran Mary Ramsay b 29 Jun 1790 married Hans George Leslie of Dunlugas at Straloch House mentioned above.
Straloch Estate was sold to John Ramsay of Melrose and Barra and passed to his daughter Mary who married advocate John Innes who took the name Ramsay. He died 1814 and his son John married Susan Innes .This John died 1832 and his son John ( 1831--1835 ) inherited aged one and ran the estate until his death in 1895. A daughter Mary succeeded ( 1859-1938) who married Francis Irvine of Drum in 1882.The Irvine family disposed of the property in 2002.
If this is of use to you - there is more I can send off line. If not I hope perhaps it will help someone !
Fransmoi.
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newscot
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Yes, I had seen the Innes family tree through the www.stirnet.com site and had come to the conclusion that the John Ramsay you point out was the most likely candidate.
This and the fact that you have stated in a previous posting that your relative left his estate to Ada Ramsay (James' daughter) strengthens the theory.
I guess what I need to do is prove that this James married Maria Duff.
James is my grt grt grandfather (through Ada's brother George) so this would mean we have his father John as a common antecedent.
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Fransmoi
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That is very gratifying !
Ada Ramsay's birth as listed below in the OPR at Belhelvie gives us her father's line but like you I've yet to pin down which Duff line.
Belhelvie 11th January 1835 .The said James Ramsay Esq., at Menie, second son of the late John Ramsay.Esq., of Barra, had a daughter born by his spouse Maria Duff only surviving daughter of the late General Duff of Carnousie and baptised on the 21st February by the Rev.A.J.Forsyth Minister of the parish of Belhelvie called Ada Elizabeth.
For more on Maria maybe we have to find her death .
Susan Innes of Pitmedden, widow of John Ramsay of Barra married Cpt.Nares.R.N and there is a picture of her at http://www.nars.net - start at William Henry for the background.They are mentioned in the inscriptions.
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I wonder if any of you Ramsey enthusiasts know anything about the Alexander family that farmed various of the properties in the Barra estate  (Falaw, Westerhouses, Kinguidy, South Mains, Pitgaveny, Thornton, Lochend, Blankets) for 150 years or more from 1700 onwards?
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