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Topic: Parish records/session minutes for Leslie in 1700s (Read 3262 times)
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Fransmoi
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I have downloaded the will of John Ramsay who died 23rd Oct 1832. There is mention of Old Meldrum turnpike and his subscription to the New Udny turnpike. Properties named are Craigie, Strulloch, Seatieton, Middlelton Blair, Wester Disblair and (Torry or) Ferry Leith.
May the local folk who recognise these place names forgive my interpretation !
Tenants are not listed against their farms but there are Alexanders by the names of George ,John and Peter figure.
Happy to send copies of the dozen pages. Lots of local names .
Fransmoi.
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RIF1945
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I would be very interested to hear from you about John Ramsay of Barra. I have a Will that mentions John Innis Ramsay and his son John Ramsay of Barra. The Will is dated 1838 but deals with things that happened in 1798.
I have downloaded the will of John Ramsay who died 23rd Oct 1832. There is mention of Old Meldrum turnpike and his subscription to the New Udny turnpike. Properties named are Craigie, Strulloch, Seatieton, Middlelton Blair, Wester Disblair and (Torry or) Ferry Leith.
May the local folk who recognise these place names forgive my interpretation !
Tenants are not listed against their farms but there are Alexanders by the names of George ,John and Peter figure.
Happy to send copies of the dozen pages. Lots of local names .
Fransmoi.
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Fransmoi
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Too many pages to inflict on the board.Can you let me have your e-mail via a p.m. ?
Fransmoi.
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thekosta
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Thank you for posting the information of burials at Newmacher churchyard :-
In memory of WILLIAM LESLYE Esq., lately residing at STRALOCH d.3 Apr. 1776 aged 67. This stone is erected by his affectionate widow MARY DUFF."
I am interested in this William Leslie/Leslye who married Mary Duff, especially the daughter Henriet, baptized in 1741.
Can anyone provide me with some information about Straloch estate. William Leslie's testament of 1776 describes him as William Leslie of Melross, late of Straloch.
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Norwegian
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I see that thekosta is interested in William Leslie of Melross, late of Straloch. If this means that you are interested in information about his origin, I can tell you this:
1. William was born in Banff 1709 (chr. 31st May) as a son of Patrick Leslie, Sheriff Clerk in Banff (see the excerpts from the parish registers). I don't know the name of his mother, and will appreciate any information of her.
2. William grew up at Melrose, a small estate a few miles east of Banff which his father bought abt. 1710. An interesting detail is that the former owner of Melrose was John Ramsay, - the father of John Ramsay (abt. 1700 - 1787) of Barra and Straloch mentioned earlier in this thread.
3. William was the eldest son of Patrick and took over Melrose after him. He lived at Melrose at least until 1756. Some time after this he left Melrose and moved to Straloch (does anybody know when?) where he died 1776.
4. William had seven children and among these the twins Alexander and Henriet (chr. 31st March 1741).
You will find more about this family in the website of Daniel Morgan (a descendant of William's sister Bathy) earlier mentioned in this thread.
thekosta also asks for some more information about Straloch. This is a nice estate a couple of miles northwest of Newmachar. I attach a picture of the well looking mansion build by John Ramsay of Barra and Straloch roughly abt. 1770. The mansion has been owned by descendants of John Ramsay until 2003 when it was sold - as far as I know, to an American.
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Ramsay of Melrose, Laithers, Barra, and Straloch
Gordon of Farskane, Buckie, and Eden
Leslie of Burdsbank, Melrose, and Dunlugas
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thekosta
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The reply by Norwegian is very much appreciated.
1. I am told by a Scottish genealogist that the mother of William Leslie (b1709) was Margaret (daughter of Ramsay of Melrose in Gamrie)
2. You mention that sometime after 1956 William Leslie left Melrose. Does that have anything to do with the action in Feb 1753, at the instance of Colonel Abercrombie against William Leslie of Melross, by which Leslie was expunged from the roll of freeholders of the county of Banff (National Archives of Scotland GD45/12/50)
3. Does anyone know if William Leslie ever lived in England towards the end of his life?
4. Does anyone know if William Leslie ever lived at Windsoer?
Many thanks, and Happy New Year!
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Norwegian
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Here are some comments to the last message of thecosta,
1. This fits well with the information in the Parish Registers of Banff at the christening of William's sister in 1707. Among the witnesses was "Mrs Mary Ramsay the childs Aunt". This have told me that John Ramsay, later of Barra and Straloch and William were quite closely related, but I didn't know how. Now I see that they probably were cousins or perhaps John was William's uncle. Some documentation is necessary to go further with this, but I find the information of thecosta very useful.
2. When I wrote that he "lived at Melrose at least until 1756", it is just based on Daniel Morgan's excerpts of the Parish Registers. There we find that "Mr Leslye of Melrose" was witness at the christening of William's nephew. Because the first name isn't mentioned here, we cannot be quite sure it is him, but in 1754 he is called "William Leslye of Melrose" when another nephew was christened.
I have no information about Wiliam's conflict with Colonel Abercrombie, but it seems possible that there is a connection here. If William went into serious economic problems, his cousin (or uncle) John Ramsay would perhaps like to help him with shelter and some occupation. John had built up a fortune in Norway and had no family (until 1767). William had wife and many children. Just speculations though :-)
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Ramsay of Melrose, Laithers, Barra, and Straloch
Gordon of Farskane, Buckie, and Eden
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thekosta
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Norwegian's comments are helpful--thank you!
Have you any information about Henriet, daughter of William Leslie and Mary Duff. I have her baptism but am looking for any additional information about her.
Thank you.
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thekosta
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I have seen references to The Book of Duffs, but have not yet seen the book. I am also interested in the Urquhart cousins of Mary Duff, mother of Henriet Leslie, who were in Grenada in the West Indies.
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Fransmoi
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A couple of years back I was in touch with an Elizabeth Eastham who has a tree on Genesreunited. She maintained that William Leslie c1709 the son of Patrick Leslie 1682 and Margaret Ramsay 1684.
Fransmoi.
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Fransmoi
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I live in Inverness,Scotland and my grt grt grandmother was Mary Leslie " of Dunlugas" in Banffshire. Her parents were Mary Ramsay and Hans George Leslie of Dunlugas.She married Gordon McLeod in Edinburgh and they settled in Loch Bay House, Skye.
Mary Ramsay b 29 Jun 1790 was the daughter of Mary Ramsay and John Innes an Aberdeen solicitor who took the name Ramsay to inherit Barra of Bourtie,Aberdeenshire.
As did the father of Hans Geo.Leslie who was Hans Groen who took the name Leslie to inherit Dunlugas ,Banff,from William Leslie (who died at Dunlugas in 1911) having married his niece Sarah Leslie.
George Leslie together with John Ramsay and William Gordon introduced a fish curing method to Kristiansund ,Norway It is recorded that the oldest warehouse there was built by William Gordon in 1749.
I have an unconfirmed copy only of notations in a family bible as listed below :-
In 1737 George Leslie and Margaret Lawson were married in Banff and a son William born 12 May 1738 then a daughter Sarah on 23 May 1740 followed by a son Patrick on 6 Dec 1743.
This must be when the Banff families moved to Norway for the next entries are at Kristiansund on 3 July 1750 (' New Stile' or 22 June 'Old Stile') a daughter Anna Thue.
George Leslie was to die there in 1751 and was buried at Brimsmess Kirke churchyard .His widow was with child for a son George Leslie was born in Feb 1752 but sadly she was to lose him also aged 7 months and 3 days and he was buried by his father.
Margaret ,George's widow ,died 7 Aug 1761 and her son Patrick followed them to Brimness on 10 Jan 1768.
All the entries thereafter pertain to Dunlugas and the death of 3 remaining sisters all buried at Banff ( Alvah)
Jean Leslie 6th May 1800
Margaret Leslie in November
Anne Leslie d 6 Mar 1814 or 1811 if poor transcription.
These were William's sisters and their entries signed by him.
Signed by his heir H.Geo.Leslie. this same uncle William's death in 1911.
I'd be grateful of corrections as we must not pass these on to the next generation.
Fransmoi.
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Fransmoi
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Gleaned from the Internet :-
"The history of the Straloch Estate can be traced back until 1249. From this year until 1606, it was in the hands of the Cheyne family.
In 1606, the property was purchased by the Gordons of Pitlurg (an estate and a castle two miles south of the town of Keith). John Gordon died in 1619 and was succeeded by his brother Robert (1580-1661) who chose to live permanently at Straloch rather than at the family seat of Pitlurg. In the early years of the 18th century, the Gordons began to fall on hard times. Alexander Gordon represented Aberdeenshire in the first British parliament after the Union of 1707. However, he became involved with John Law and his disastrous Mississippi scheme, losing so much money that he had to sell the Kinmundy and Pitlurg estates in 1724. A remote cousin, James Gordon then succeeded to Straloch until about 1770 when it was sold to John Ramsay of Melross and Barra. Ramsay began to build the handsome house which is standing today but, dying in 1785, the property passed to his daughter, Mary.
She married John Innes who took the name of Ramsay to become the second John Ramsay. He died in 1814 and his son, also John, married Susan Innes (1802-1887). This John died in 1832 and the estate then passed to his son, another John Ramsay (1831-1895). The young John inherited at the age of one, and after becoming a scholar at Trinity College, Cambridge, returned to run the estate until his death in 1895. He was succeeded by his daughter, Mary, (1859-1938) who married Francis Irvine of Drum in 1882. Straloch then remained in the Irvine family until 2002 when Major Francis Irvine disposed of the property. "
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Mackenzie ,MacLeod,McLeod,Milne,Montgomery,
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Norwegian
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Thanks to Fransmoi for the presentation of the old Bible trancripts. Even if there might have been some errors in the original text, I think it must have been added some new ones in the transcription. I will guess that the Norwegian part of it have been written like this:
Att Christiansund in Norway being on Friday the 3rd July 1750 New Stile, which answered which answered with the 22nd June Old Stile; was born about 1/2 hour after 7 in the morning a daughter who was baptised by Hr Eilert Holch & named Anna Thue after Mons Jens Kaasbolls wife, godfathers Mesrs Berent Trane & Alx'r Abercromby and godmothers said mad'me Anna Kaasboll ne de Thue, Helen Wefsice(?) Spouse to Mr Alex'r Abercromby & Tuffroi(?) Anna Thue Ross, niece to Mr Jens Kaasboll.
Christiansund in Norway 1751 June month 15th New stile being the 4th old stile, departed this life George Leslie my husband and was buried in Bremsness Kirke churchyard on the 19th said month it was on a Tuesday and on a Saturday he was buried.
Margaret Lowson.
Christiansund in Norway the 3rd of February 1752 said day was born at 10 o'the clock at night George Leslie, a son. His Godfathers was Mr Jens Kaasboll Herr Brodkorp, Herr Behrend Lange. Godmothers Madam Lange spouse to said Behrend Lange and Madam Holch Widow.
Att Christiansund in Norway sept 25th N:S: 1752 Said day departed this life George Leslie aged seven months and three weeks he was buried in Bremsness on Sunday the 31st said month.
As a curiosity I would like to add that one of the godfathers and one of the godmothers were my GGGG grandparents: Anna Thue Ross and Herr (i.e. Mr) Brodkorb.
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Fransmoi
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How interesting to see Alexander Abercrombie as a godfather .George Leslie's son Hans George was to sell Dunlugas,Banff in 1877 the year of his death to a neighbour by the name of Abercrombie - Sir Robert Abercrombie of Forglen Turriff. Another trail to follow one day!
Thank you for the pictures of the church at Brimsnes.
Fransmoi.
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