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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Sussex Researchers
Thanks to Rootschat and their offer of a Free Web Site, a lot of my Sussex Archives are now going 'live' and 'on line.'
Although we have only been working on it for some 24 hours - it already looks pretty impressive and contains thousands of names with lots of Monumental inscriptions.
http://www.rootschat.com/history/hastings/
Please feel free to browse - dont forget to leave me some feedback
Chris in 1066Land
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Chris in 1066Land
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Thanks Meg
It some ways, its a shame I am going away on holiday - I would like to have done a lot more work on it - but I do need the rest !!!
Will try to archive some more of my data and put it on the site on my return
Chris in 1066Land
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madbadrob
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Chris,
Those printed sheets your working from with regards to Sussex Archives are copyrighted and if the Archives get to know they will have a fit. They did when I intended to put all the Wills they hold ( index that is) for Salehurst people and I asked their permission. I would be very very careful what you do put up. Secondly did you know to offer lookups from a transcription disk as you are for the 1841 census also breaches the licence that you will have agreed to when you bought the cd's.
Sorry dont want to be a damp squid and I dont envy what your doing after all I have 3 web sites of my own dedicated to genealogy but I dont want to see you or rootschat ( who ultimately would be blamed) for breaching Copyright. Maybe not advertising which cd you intend to use for the census lookups would be a start.
Rob
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Adi1962
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madbadrob,
You are right to raise these issues, they are big issues and ones that provokes a lot of confusion and misinformation, the laws surround this are complex and often open to interpritation having not been tested in law.
Iam an IT manager and one of my bigest problems is regarding software licence compliance, these day you have to complete recognised qualifications and be aware of the legislation that applies. Whislt Software is slightly different there are requirments under the copyright, design and patents act that applies to anything created and commercially supplied.
With regard to copyright on Census supplied on CD, the data contained on those CD's is public record and therefore freely available to everyone. Where you will start to have issues is if you supply copies of the documents that make up the census CD. These documents will contain copyright and should not be reproduced or made available. If you transcribe the information into your own format, then you are not breaching copyright on the document. Companies would obviously like to impose restrictions but it would be impossible for them to prove that you had not obtained that data from another source, especially as it is freely available ( by visiting the records office).
You reference to printed sheets of the Sussex Archive being copyright, if they have simple photocopied the originals then it is very doubtful they legally hold copyright, but if they have photocopied the original and embelished it in some way, thus creating a document that differs from the original then they will have copyright on that newly created document. You would not be able to publish that document without their permission, but as mentioned that actual data is public record and they cannot stop you publishing the records in your own transcribed format.
The offer to do lookups breaching licence terms, is a different issue to copyright and depending on the publisher of the CD they may make certain conditions with regard to use. Without seeing the licence terms it would be difficult to say if they carry any legal weight. I would be inclined to say that their clause may prohibit if its for commercail gain or similar.
I would agree with not openly stating that you offer look ups from a particular source and I would strongly discourage the providing of copies from the Census as this will definately be a breach of copyright.
I am due to receive a copy of the 1841 Kent Census from S&N and will check any conditions they supply. I will also run them past my companies legal team for clarification, as I also run an OPC site, so would like to clear these concerns up by having the legal definition to publish on the site.
These are entirely my views and interpretaions, based upon my professional understanding of the various issues and laws. I would recommend that anyone with concerns in this area obtain their own clarification.
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trystan
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Firstly, everybody who sign up with RootsChat agrees that any material they post on RootsChat is either free of copyright, or there is no copyright on the material. There is no way forward to subscribe without that agreement being made.
Also, as stated at the footer of every page, RootsChat.com cannot be held responsible directly or indirectly for the messages or content posted by others. Inline images in messages are the copyright of the respective linked sites.
As for webspace, RootsChat is no more responsible for what users put on their personal websites than any other hosting provider.
Now, about those mailing lists...
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Adi1962
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I have checked what S&N impose as conditions of use and i quote
"Opening this product means you are agreeing to the following conditions. This product can only be used for personal research by the owner. This excludes commercial use, library use or provision of a lookup service"
To quote my company legal team " If you transcribe the contents into a new format you are creating a new document, therefore the coditions of use only then apply to the original media purchased and not to the new document. It is important to remember these are public records, if they were not then you could not transcribe them without infingment of copyright."
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Adi1962
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I have had a lenghty conversdation with the gentleman responsible for copyright at The National Archives, Kew.
He informed that anything with crowncopyright may be freely transcribed, but not copied (although it is possible to copy some, but you need their permission first) All Censes records hold Crowncopyright.
Reproductions of the Census, like those produced by S&N, may not be copied but CAN be transcribed. Crowncopyright is on the data in these cases and S&N have no legal rights over it.
With regard to other documents you would need to first establish if their was Crowncopyright. (The copyright page on The National Archives, Kew web site gives some useful links that would assist.
Adrian
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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi there
Just back from 3 weeks holiday camping in South Wales and Somerset.
To try and answer some of the questions raised
madbadrob
Those printed sheets your working from with regards to Sussex Archives are copyrighted and if the Archives get to know they will have a fit.
The printed sheets are NOT copyrighted - it is my own transcription entered into 'word' many years ago (on an Amiga 500) - having relocated them recently, I have now printed them out and they are being re-entered into a data base.
With regard to copyright on Census supplied on CD, the data contained on those CD's is public record and therefore freely available to everyone. Where you will start to have issues is if you supply copies of the documents that make up the census CD. These documents will contain copyright and should not be reproduced or made available. If you transcribe the information into your own format, then you are not breaching copyright on the document.
It is not possible to copy the data from the census cd's as they are password protected, even with the adobe converter to put them back to word documents, it is not possible to copy them - ALL have to be retyped out.
I have checked the License agreement - and I am of the firm belief that I am not infringing the Licence agreement.
All Data on my Rootschat Websight - i.e. Baptisms, Marriages, Burials, Monumental Inscriptions is all my own work transcribed from original sources.
Chris in 1066Land
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