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Re: The British South Africa Company Medal Roll - Free lookups offered
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 20 December 07 18:59 UTC (UK) »

Terry,
The roll confirms Trooper F.V.Brown awarded the medal for Mashonaland 1897.
His unit was the Umtali Volunteer Corps (or simply Volunteers). As the name suggests these were one of several locally raised units that existed purely for the duration of a particular campaign before being disbanded.

Here's a general overview of local units:
http://rapidttp.com/milhist/vol011es.html

Since they're not regular troops, they don't have individual service numbers.
He could have been in the Royal Engineers at another time perhaps? What else do yoy know about his military service? Was he in the Boer War for example?
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Re: The British South Africa Company Medal Roll - Free lookups offered
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 20 December 07 22:22 UTC (UK) »

Hi

My grt grandfathers brother was in the british army and I'm told served some time with the South Africa Corps.....he must have been in the army anytime from 1881-1900....

his name was James Shard this has also been spelt as Sheard..Sherd..Cherd..Chard..Shand. and so on....

Any help much appreciated

Thanks for your time

cissy
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Re: The British South Africa Company Medal Roll - Free lookups offered
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 20 December 07 22:32 UTC (UK) »

Cissy,
Does he have a middle name at all?
It's all pretty vague information so far, so any little thing that may help is welcome  Smiley

Edit:
OK, well the only possible match I can see in all the variant spellings is 4091 Lance Corporal J.L.Sheard, 7th Hussars (Rhodesia 1896 & Mashonaland 1897)

Does that tie in with what you know?
Smiley
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Re: The British South Africa Company Medal Roll - Free lookups offered
« Reply #33 on: Friday 21 December 07 08:05 UTC (UK) »

Hi Neil

No middle name as far as I know...none on his birth or death cert, but that doesn't mean anything...as I got a birth & marriage cert for another member of this family...no middle name on birth cert but a middle name on marrige....
All this family used the same names and I can't think of one begining with L that springs to mind.....but he may have added one himself...

I think he was out of the country for times between 1891 and 1901 as he was on none of these census's even with mis spell of his surname ...and in 1901 he was married but his wife and son were alone and she was down as married...he died in 1908 in Lancashire...

Many Thanks for your time

cissy
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Wrigley...Radcliffe & Bury Area
Mitchell ...Gwinear Cornwall/Radcliffe Lancashire/Stockport Cheshire
Allen....Radcliffe Lancashire
Ashworth... Bury & Radcliffe Lancashire
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Re: The British South Africa Company Medal Roll - Free lookups offered
« Reply #34 on: Friday 21 December 07 08:36 UTC (UK) »

Well on further digging the J.L.Sheard I mentioned before was John and he was still serving in WW1. So no good.

Of course, the man you're looking for may not have been in any campaigns, just on garrison duty in South Africa.
Have you found a marriage record? Also where/when was his son born?

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Re: The British South Africa Company Medal Roll - Free lookups offered
« Reply #35 on: Friday 21 December 07 08:42 UTC (UK) »

Hi Neil

James was born in 1865 in Lancashire and his son was born in 1895/6 Widnes......

james disappeared off the census after 1881.......married in Widnes in 1894/5...his son was born the next year then he re-appeared on the death register in 1908

Thanks again for your time....

This family have been a nightmare to trace....this was a long shot....

cissy
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Goodier....Stockport Cheshire
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Re: The British South Africa Company Medal Roll - Free lookups offered
« Reply #36 on: Saturday 22 December 07 06:59 UTC (UK) »

Terry,
The roll confirms Trooper F.V.Brown awarded the medal for Mashonaland 1897.
His unit was the Umtali Volunteer Corps (or simply Volunteers). As the name suggests these were one of several locally raised units that existed purely for the duration of a particular campaign before being disbanded.

Here's a general overview of local units:
http://rapidttp.com/milhist/vol011es.html

Since they're not regular troops, they don't have individual service numbers.
He could have been in the Royal Engineers at another time perhaps? What else do yoy know about his military service? Was he in the Boer War for example?
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Re: The British South Africa Company Medal Roll - Free lookups offered
« Reply #37 on: Saturday 22 December 07 07:03 UTC (UK) »

Dear Neil,

Thank you for your prompt reply and information about F V Brown.  I don't know if he fought in the Boer War.  Do you know how I could find out?

Regards and all the best for Christmas
Terry Smiley
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The British South Africa Company Medal Roll - Free lookups offered
« Reply #38 on: Friday 28 March 08 09:18 UTC (UK) »

Bit of a long shot - Arthur Moss Foster (born 1866) according to family legend fought in the Matabele Wars before heading for the Gold Rush in Alaska. I know nothing more other than he was born in Selby.

Anything you can find, I'm not holding my breath, would be great.
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Re: The British South Africa Company Medal Roll - Free lookups offered
« Reply #39 on: Friday 28 March 08 18:23 UTC (UK) »

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Anything you can find, I'm not holding my breath, would be great.

Never know your luck till you look!!
Medal roll confirms A. Moss Foster, Corporal, Gwelo Volunteers for 1896 Rhodesia operations.

http://rapidttp.com/milhist/vol011es.html
One and same as Gwelo Field Force as listed here I guess

No further info on the roll. As he's in a local unit rather than British Army I don't know how you'd trace him further. South African military archives perhaps?
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Re: The British South Africa Company Medal Roll - Free lookups offered
« Reply #40 on: Friday 28 March 08 21:25 UTC (UK) »

Thank you very much. Now I need to find his grave in the Klondike!
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Re: The British South Africa Company Medal Roll - Free lookups offered
« Reply #41 on: Friday 02 May 08 14:48 UTC (UK) »

Born 20 March 1877 (Mere, Wilts) & joined East Yorkshire Regiment in London on 6 July 1897 (Private, number 5532). Spent over 7 years in South Africa & India and is believed to have received the Kimberley Star. Transferred to Army Reserve on 8 November 1904 and discharged on 5 July 1909.

Rejoined Army Reserve (Wiltshire Regt) on 16 March 1912 (Lance Corporal, number 9723). Seriously wounded twice in WW1 and POW for 7 months. Finally discharged 31 March 1920 and in WW2 he served with LDV/Home Guard.

Any idea if this fellow got anything other than a Kimberley Star?
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Re: The British South Africa Company Medal Roll - Free lookups offered
« Reply #42 on: Friday 02 May 08 18:44 UTC (UK) »

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Any idea if this fellow got anything other than a Kimberley Star?

What chap? A name would help  Grin Grin
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Re: The British South Africa Company Medal Roll - Free lookups offered
« Reply #43 on: Tuesday 06 May 08 10:59 UTC (UK) »

Hello, Lister of Dodworth (if you are still there!)
If you have access to the BSAC Roll, please could you tell me if mention is made of:
TROOPER J.A.G. WATSON Salisbury Volunteers.

Thank you.   David Ferguson
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Re: The British South Africa Company Medal Roll - Free lookups offered
« Reply #44 on: Thursday 08 May 08 16:52 UTC (UK) »

George Henry Sullivan, thanks.
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