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MonicaLesl
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Judy
Remember they may have used the Scottish naming order: First son named after father's father, first daughter after mother's mother etc. You know who Agnes married and I assume that you have her wedding cert showing her husband's parents. If father in law is not called Robert, but their children's names all seem to follow overall this naming pattern, it does give room for thought! How to prove it I wonder. I think you're idea of checking the Kirk Sessions is good, assuming they were church people. The Dumgal site Dumfries kirk session entries don't seem to have anything but I'm not sure how complete these are (I've checked surnames Hanah/Jackson/Bell but they all seem to stop around 1810-30 and we're looking at 1855).
There's still the issue of where Charters was in 1851. Given her age you would think she would have been local to Torcoon. I wonder if her name was mistranscribed. What was Agnes Bell/Hanah's husband's name? The problem with searching on Scotland's people is that you cannot search by first name only (as with the Dumgal site). Have you found Agnes on the 1851 census?
Regards.
Monica
PS: I do agree it was probably son rather than father!!!
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........
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MonicaLesl
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Judy
Not sure if you've got this. From freecen, this looks like Charters in 1841:
Margaret Holliday age 71, a Pauper, born in Dumfries-shire
Charters Jackson, age 7, born Dumfries-shire
Living in Crossdykes, Hutton and Corrie, Dum.
I assume this is Charters maternal grandmother (and explains the name of Charters's second daughter).
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........
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MonicaLesl
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Judy
I can see an Anthony Hannah in both freecen 1841 and 1851 Dumgal census (the only one showing) living in Whithorn. The 1851 index gives his birthplace as Whithorn, WGT. Is this the right one? Interestingly, an Agnes shows in the 1841 index but not in the 1851. The address from the 1851 census is Cattyens (900) household no. 2/5A. His sisters seem to have lived with him over this period.
Strange how they seem to have aged 20-25 years between the censuses!
Monica
Added: I've just checked the 1861 census on SP. We now have TWO Anthony Hannah showing! One still in Whithorn (as above) and the other as you found in Cannonbie. So the 1841/51 is not ours. Back to the drawing board....!!!
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........
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MonicaLesl
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Ok, found Charters in 1851! Your comment about Charters being often mis-indexed as Charles made me think and sure enough I found a female Charles Jackson in Castleton, Roxburgh. She's a farm servant and birthplace shows as Hutton, Dum. I'll PM you with more details.
To find Charter in freecen should be straighforward as she's indexed correctly (stating the obvious or not so sometimes!) have you ticked 1841 at the top left? The default is 1891.
So Charters is not with mother in 1851. I've done a search for Anthony Han* in the whole of Scotland, there are only 7 entries. Four are children, one is 75 in Argyll, 35 in Barony Glasgow and then our man in Whithorn. Have you checked the English census for them?
Just out of interest, who did Charters marry? Charters is such an unusual first name, it seems uncanny that young Agnes married a man whose first wife also had that name......specially if the birth ages fit..........never mind that she married an Armstrong.........and the oldest Armstrong son was also called William...but let's not go there!!!
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........
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MonicaLesl
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Judy
Just realised that Charters in Castleton in 1851, this is where her father James Jackson was from, so that would explain why Charters was there.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........
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PRJ
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Agnes Bell
I have an Agnes Bell in my Family tree, could this be the same one? details below:
Agnes Bell born circa 1806, Canonbie
Known Children (no father listed)
Ann Bell 1839, Canonbie
George Bell 1842/3, Canonbie
Found on 1851 Census:
Hallgreen, Canonbie
Agnes Bell (unmarried - head) 44 Agricultural Labourer
Ann Bell (dau) 12 Scholar
George Bell (son) 8 Scholar
All born in Canonbie
A possible death record:
Agnes Bell or Elliott, died 1883, Canonbie, age 77
My descent is via Ann who married William Jardine
Pete
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Reiver
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Bob,
I've had a look at a couple of indexes.
One is a booklet providing an index to the Canonbie 1851 Census. There is as you may know an on-line index as well. The second is the Scotland People Index (ie I haven't looked at the images).
From ScotlandsPeople there are two Robert Armstrongs baptised between January 1850 and the end of 1854 in Canonbie Two Robert Armstrongs are provided - and their parents names are given. From the index at Torcoon is a 68 yr old Robert who is Head and a 16yd old son David, who is unmarried. This of course is 1851.
One of the ScotlandsPeople shows a father of one of the Robert's as David - Robert's mother was Hannah.
If you think after your own checking that you have established the right link then you will find that there is a memorial in Canonbie giving another couple of generations back from the 68 yr old Robert above. In the booklet of Canonbie MIs it is number 315.
Best of luck
Reiver
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Rewcastle
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Don't know if you checked this link or not but there's Armstrong's of Torcoon mentioned no: 315
re:Colonel Robert Armstrong. I think i might of spotted him in the wills last night on scotspeople. 
Rewcastle.
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