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Topic: Albert Burton and Florence Elliott (Read 1667 times)
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Burto
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Hi,
After having a break from this puzzle, I've decided to work out the bits where I have got info, and wondered if anyone could do a search for Lavinia's parents' details?
I found a Henry Shepherd and Mary Anne Merrin married in 1857 at the Elston Chapelry, but it says he was born in 1825 in Muskham, not in 1829 in Lenton as he suggests in the 1891 census?
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Heather DD
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Hi Burto,
this may be a silly question but do you have Lavinia's birth cert to confirm her mother's maiden name?
They had an 18 yr old son with them in 1871, so 1857 looks a bit late at first sight...
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Burto
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Hi Heather,
No I've not got it I'm afraid. I think I may need to get a copy, to clarify things!!! Never even occured to me to check that Lavinia had older siblings...d'oh!!!!
Well it is 11.30 pm 
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Heather DD
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Yes I think you're going to need it. Just had a look at the census and there are a lot of Henry Shepherd/Shephard/Shepperds around - several married to a Mary.
Here is your man in 1861 anyway, working from the 1871 Sunflower found
RG9 2447 98 30
Clifton Street Lenton
Henry Shephard head 34 lacemaker Lenton, as were others
Mary Anne wife 29
Samuel son 11
Henry son 9
Harriet dau 4
William son 2
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Burto
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Hi,
Just a quick thought...what about Robert Barton or Bertin?
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Jane Swan
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Hi Burto
I went to the archives this morning.
Baptisms:
Albert Burton 1884 Looked St Matthias, Sneinton Jun 1883-Apr1885 No result
Florence Elliott 1890 " " " " May 1889-Dec 1891 " "
Lavinia Shepherd 1861 Looked Lenton Apr 1859-Aug 1864 No result
Marriage: 12 Sept 1883 St Matthias Sneinton Fiche 16 pg 82 entry 163
Robert Burton 24 Batchelor Plumber 71 St Matthias Road Father Samuel Burton Lacedresser (Deceased)
Lavinia Shepherd 22 Spinster Hosiery Hand 71 St Matthias Road Sneinton Father Henry Shepherd Lacemaker
by Banns
Signed Robert Burton
Lavinia Shepherd her mark(+)
in presence of
Albert Davis his mark x
Mary Ann Davis
by Arthur P Woodham Vicar
Jane
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Notts: Burrows, Comery, Foster, Beeson, Haynes, Swan. Derbys: Burrows, Comery, Smith Lincs: King. Warks & Salop: Swan, Duffy. Dublin: Duffy, Geraghty, Burgess. Monmouth: Lewis Information contained within Census Lookups is Crown Copyright: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Burto
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Hi Jane,
Thank you so much for that! Now I guess I just need to find out about Samuel... 
Does anyone know where I would have to start, bearing in mind he was deceased when Robert got married...how would I know when he was born?
Can someone just verify for me also, that if a man is down as a batchelor, then he wouldn't have been married before? It's just that I can't find anything on Robert, other than one who was married to an Elizabeth on the 1881 census?
Thanks
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Burto
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Anyone know why a married woman would change her and her children's surnames on a census? Also I'm having trouble finding Samuel Burton...can anyone find Robert's Baptism? I'm having trouble. Do they appear in the 1871 census?
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Burto
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Curioser and curioser .....
1891
RG12 2700 38 23
1 Barlow's Yard St Mary Nottingham
Lavinia Clark wife married 30 Lenton
Albert Clark son 6 Nottingham
Robert Clark son 3 Nottingham
Just had a look at another thread of mine and all of Robert and Lavinia's kids were baptised in 1900 even though they were born about 15 years previously...and yet they married in 1883?! It's almost like they they got them all baptised before the 1901 census!!!! Any ideas?
Can anyone find a marriage for the Lavinia Clark mentioned here?
Just answered my own question I think..found this on familysearch for "Albert Clark's" Birth:
Mrs Lavinia Clark b. 1855 Cossall Nottingham
William b.1874
Annie b. 1876
Ethel b. 1881
Albert b.1884
Samuel b. 1887
This Lavinia's Robert wasn't born until 1888.
My Lavinia was born around 1861 so I guess Robert and Lavinia just did a disappearing act for the 1891 census...if they were anything like me they just couldn't be bothered
Even so, why get all their kids Baptised in 1900?
If anyone can find anything on Samuel Burton, Robert's father, on the 1871/1861 census that would be great.
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Heather DD
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Sorry to spoil a good theory, but even if you're not happy with the 1891 I found, it wasn't the Levina Clark(e) from Cossall. Here she is in 1891 
RG12 2659 132 6
High Street, Greasley
Levina Clarke head wid 36 Cossall
William son 17 coal miner Babbington
Annie dau 15 Babbington
Ethel dau 10 Kimberley
Albert son 7 Kimberley
Samuel son 4 Kimberley
As for the late baptisms....could be any reason. But a few folk weren't too efficient at baptising their children and it may be as simple as a new clergyman "encouraging" the sinners! It could be that they separated for a time and Lavinia was living in sin with a Mr Clarke in 1891 
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Burto
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It wasn't that I wasn't happy with what you found, just stumbled on that and thought it made sense. I don't care what they got up to just want to find them and make sure Albert is a Burton and not a Clark!
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Jane Swan
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Hi
Batchelor - a never been married male
Spinster - a never been married female
Otherwise the man would be a widower (dead wife) and the woman a widow (dead husband).
Divorce was virtually unknown and certainly not among the poor. Anyone divorced most certainly could not remarry in church.
I am a bit lost in the Burtons. Are Robert and Lavinia correct married in 1883? Are they Alberts parents? If this is correct then we can find Samuel. Can you do a quick recap as to what is correct in your direct line?
Jane
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Burto
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Hi Jane,
Yes Robert and Lavinia are Alberts parents, at least that's what they say! Albert was born 1884.
Samuel is Robert's father.
Many thanks.
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Burto
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After all the good advice of people on here regarding my Elliot branch, I decided to start from the latest Elliot, my GGrandmother and try and get hold of her birth certificate to find out who exactly her mother was.
I got her marriage certificate, so I know my GGrandmother was definately called Florence Elliott, father William, who was a lace bleacher. Florence was born 1891 according to her marriage certificate.
I have always gone along with the suggestion that, according to the 1901 census, her mother was called Florence Elliott, married to William a lace bleacher.
I've just looked on freereg and found Florence Elliott baptised 03/07/1891 to William Elliott, lace bleacher and Elneaer (Eleanor?) Albion Road St Peter's. All the other children seem to have Florence as their mother-is this just a typing error?
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