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Topic: GRO Say Ref doesn't match birth - Help please (Read 606 times)
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northern_rose
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I feel like I have hit a brick wall before starting on my mothers line!
My maternal grandfather was born 25th June 1905 but I can't get a birth cert to prove it! The only ref that fits as a possibility is from the Sept quarter of 1905. I can't see any other refs for a Richard Henry Clegg in 1905.
I ordered this cert last week and the GRO have not issued it as the ref has a different DOB and his mothers name is not Frances. I guess it was worth getting them to check as it saved me money but I would rather have his certificate!!
The only info I do have is a certified copy of his baptism in September 1905.
I really need his birth cert to confim place of birth and his parents details. Can anyone help or suggest where to go from here?
Thanks
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Wilson in the Lancaster area Clegg in Todmorden Adamson in Edinburgh Miller in Edinburgh Nunn in Norfolk and Co Durham Smith in Glasgow Haig in Peebles/Edinburgh Also Nelson, Gardener, Garnett, Blair, Coleman, Aaronson and many more as the branches expand! Census info is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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northern_rose
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His birth date of 25th June was the date we always celebrated his birthday! Mum and I are positive on that. I did wonder if the year was wrong but with the baptism being held in Sept 1905 he couldn't have been born any later. Also just rechecked the baptism and that lists his birth as 25th June 1905.
I don't actually know where he was born. He was baptized in Todmorden but lived most of his live on the Fylde (Thornton, Fleetwood). I was hoping his birth cert would tell me where he was born!
The address on his baptism does not seem to have been listed on the 1901 census.
Any help gratefully received!!
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Wilson in the Lancaster area Clegg in Todmorden Adamson in Edinburgh Miller in Edinburgh Nunn in Norfolk and Co Durham Smith in Glasgow Haig in Peebles/Edinburgh Also Nelson, Gardener, Garnett, Blair, Coleman, Aaronson and many more as the branches expand! Census info is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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familysearcher
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is it possible that his baptismal name and his registered name are different? there is a mitchell henry clegg registered in todmorden in sept 1905 - vol 9a 231 (or 281).
i know from personal experience that mistranscriptions do happen - for eg my husbands grandfather is shown as a girl on the GRO register but a boy in the original registers.
it is probably worth contacting the register office covering todmorden and asking them to check their registers for the dob you have.
Sue
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Geen - Glamorgan/Devon/Birmingham Lewis - Glamorgan/Monmouthshire Cutter - Co Durham/Northumberland/Yorkshire Hunter - Co Durham/Northumberland/Yorkshire Siveter/Siviter - Birmingham Census infromation is Crown Copyright, from " http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk" |
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Jane Swan
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Hi
You don't give the reference you applied for. The only one for his birth I can find is Blackburn 8e 438 Sep qtr. I have found the reference for his death which has the correct birth date but presumably your mother gave that date when she registered the death. Blackpool and Fylde F30E 243.
Jane
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Notts: Burrows, Comery, Foster, Beeson, Haynes, Swan. Derbys: Burrows, Comery, Smith Lincs: King. Warks & Salop: Swan, Duffy. Dublin: Duffy, Geraghty, Burgess. Monmouth: Lewis Information contained within Census Lookups is Crown Copyright: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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northern_rose
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I am always amazed by everyone's fast responses on this site!
The certificate I requested was the Blackburn registration.
I couldn't find John and Frances together in 1901 on the census but if they married after April they could well be listed apart. (Richard Henry was the oldest son so this is possible)
I had found a John Clegg in Blackpool in the 1901 census that could be my great grandfather - working as a waiter in a hotel and originally from Todmorden.
I wondered if Richard could have been born on the Fylde in June and taken to the family church in Todmorden in Sept to be christened. Would this have happened in 1905??
I would be VERY grateful for the wedding ref of John and Frances.
Thanks all.
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Wilson in the Lancaster area Clegg in Todmorden Adamson in Edinburgh Miller in Edinburgh Nunn in Norfolk and Co Durham Smith in Glasgow Haig in Peebles/Edinburgh Also Nelson, Gardener, Garnett, Blair, Coleman, Aaronson and many more as the branches expand! Census info is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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northern_rose
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You have me excited too!
I have the census PDF of the address (10 derby Street) on Richard's baptism and have always been disappointed that it never contained the clegg family.
I've just had another look and guess what??
The last entry is very possible another member of Frances's family but the name looks like Northcott. The listing is Mary J Northcott sister-in-law to head of household. See what you think as I think I have attached the PDF.
Could Frances have been working at the RAilway Hotel?? Did the census list her occupation?
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Wilson in the Lancaster area Clegg in Todmorden Adamson in Edinburgh Miller in Edinburgh Nunn in Norfolk and Co Durham Smith in Glasgow Haig in Peebles/Edinburgh Also Nelson, Gardener, Garnett, Blair, Coleman, Aaronson and many more as the branches expand! Census info is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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northern_rose
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My thoughts on the census doc were that Mary Northcott must be the married sister of John Miles BUT she is listed as single. I wonder if Rosie Miles was a Northcott before her marriage?
I'm also wondering if Northcott and Dorricott are the same - seems too close not to be.
I also wonder if Mary is Frances mother and the reason for Frances living with grandparents is that she is illegitimate?
All thoughts gratefully received!
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Hi Northern Rose
For what its worth, I don;t think the two Frances' forund in 1901 and 1891 are the same person as the one in 1901 (niece) appears to have been born c. 1877 and the one found 1891 (with granparents ) appears to have been born c1888. (Which is too young to have been the one marrying in 1901)
Dorricott and variations appear numerous in the area with several same names and ages. I thought the one born 1877 ish might have been daughter of Edward DARRICOTT on 1881 census - shown as Fanny, but when you look there are plenty of other Edwards, same area and vague age. I did have a look, but without something definite to go on there are loads of possibilities
Now that you have the marriage details, for Frances and John CLEGG perhaps you need to get the cert to establish likely DOB and father/occupation of father
ec
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1901_CENSUS_10_DERBY_STREET.pdf